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Anecdotally, my homeowner's insurance paid for itself to the tune of about seven years' premiums after I'd owned the house three months (Broken hot water line in the foundation, $7K). Then at 4-1/2 years of ownership it covered another 30 years of premiums (Roof and pool damage from a microburst-induced hail event, $36K). I figure I've got another 17 years before USAA breaks even on me. :)

But, that's why it's not really a matter of "you vs. insurance", it's joining a shared risk pool. Some of us will win (lose), while others will lose (win). Without other policyholders to help spread the risk, USAA would've likely quintupled my rates to cover themselves.
My wife and I have done a lot of work that many people would file a claim for. Then we had a tree fall on our house -- after we had paid $thousands to have all of the trees that seemed to be a threat taken down (lots of large dead ash trees). The one that fell appeared perfectly healthy. The arborist didn't mention it.

The cost to repair the damage covered maybe 8-10 years of premiums (after we'd been paying for ~35 years). In fact, they were trying to give us money for non-existent damage! That was strange. I had cut up and removed the tree and they paid me $1,000 for that. So I certainly have no complaints about our ins co.

With any type of insurance, some people will have claims and get money back, some will be huge winners (jackpot!) but that doesn't alter the fact that overall, buying insurance is betting against the house, and there are far more losers (paid more in than they received) than winners. Financially, when possible, it's better to be self-insured. Of course most of us cannot be self-insured for auto/health/home. Vehicle repairs are borderline -- some owners can cover a major repair, others can't.

As you said, pooling risk is necessary for insurance to be viable. When done in a non-profit, or reasonable, regulated manner it is beneficial. Nothing wrong with making a buck. Unfortunately, with extended warranties, the profit margins are typically huge and the sales methods are often sleazy. People are led to believe that they are all but guaranteed to be a 'winner' when the opposite is true.

Pooling risk can be complicated. For example, there are areas of the country where it is common knowledge that houses are more prone to damage from: wildfire; earthquakes; tornados; floods; mudslides; hurricanes, etc. With some exceptions, people are fully aware of the risk yet choose to live there. Other areas have very low risk. Needless to say, those in high risk areas would like their pool to include those low risk locations, but should they be grouped together?
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Also, I think it's bazaar that they haven't even started producing 2026 Bronco Sports and won't until January, yet they are included in the recall?
It's possible and likely the 2026 is shipping with the same IPC software the 2025 has. The fix may not even be available yet. Unfortunately, I don't have FDRS any more to check, but the fix for the recall may not be out yet.

I agree with @Whpony96 that the chances of this happening are slim.

Edit: Just looked through OASIS and there is no mention of this recall anywhere. So all they did was file it with the NHTSA. They have not told dealers about it yet.

I'll deal with whatever comes down the pike on my 2025 BL.

Software updates aren't a big issue especially if it's OTA.
lol OTA's have their own set of issues, but we'll leave that for another day. The good news is, this OTA would install while the vehicle is on and running. The ones that require the vehicle to be parked and inhibited can be a PITA. Once the fix comes out, I'm sure they'll post a bulletin on PTS about it and I'll see it.
 
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Morning, all.

So here's a thought-provoking question. The 2025 BL that I recently ordered began it's In Production status on 11/09/25. Now, it showed that it entered Built status yesterday, 11/20/25. Would the update for this issue have been performed while in production?

Thanks!
 

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It's possible and likely the 2026 is shipping with the same IPC software the 2025 has. The fix may not even be available yet. Unfortunately, I don't have FDRS any more to check, but the fix for the recall may not be out yet.

I agree with @Whpony96 that the chances of this happening are slim.

Edit: Just looked through OASIS and there is no mention of this recall anywhere. So all they did was file it with the NHTSA. They have not told dealers about it yet.



lol OTA's have their own set of issues, but we'll leave that for another day. The good news is, this OTA would install while the vehicle is on and running. The ones that require the vehicle to be parked and inhibited can be a PITA. Once the fix comes out, I'm sure they'll post a bulletin on PTS about it and I'll see it.
Sure nothings 100% but this recall is fairly minor compared to leaking injectors, failing water pumps, etc. for the owner to get resolved.

Hopefully an OTA, which ever one it is, will fix the issue and if not, off to the dealer to get it done.
 

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Morning, all.

So here's a thought-provoking question. The 2025 BL that I recently ordered began it's In Production status on 11/09/25. Now, it showed that it entered Built status yesterday, 11/20/25. Would the update for this issue have been performed while in production?

Thanks!
Most likely the fix would be applied if it's available. From what I've read so far, that may not be the case.

I know that car dealers cannot sell cars from their lots with open recalls pending, so I'm relatively certain that you will have a updated vehicle for delivery.
 


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Most likely the fix would be applied if it's available. From what I've read so far, that may not be the case.

I know that car dealers cannot sell cars from their lots with open recalls pending, so I'm relatively certain that you will have a updated vehicle for delivery.
Perhaps. Guess time will tell.

The other thought was the date it went into production was after the date range in the recall. Possible it won't be affected to begin with? Either way, I will find out when it arrives.
 

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Most likely the fix would be applied if it's available. From what I've read so far, that may not be the case.

I know that car dealers cannot sell cars from their lots with open recalls pending, so I'm relatively certain that you will have a updated vehicle for delivery.
It depends. Not all recalls come with a stop sale.

Perhaps. Guess time will tell.

The other thought was the date it went into production was after the date range in the recall. Possible it won't be affected to begin with? Either way, I will find out when it arrives.
The recall being just filed with the NHTSA means that the fix is unlikely ready at this time.
 

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You can't make this stuff up. Ridiculous. What is the number so far this year? It was 135 recalls last month.
This seems like so not a big deal - happens at start up so you'll obviously see.
Friend had a BMW where the digital cluster would shift to the right so far that you couldn't see the speedometer - while you were driving. And no way to fix until you parked and shut it off.
 


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Right, that is a downside. Would have been perfect if they retained them underneath since there is space. Personally much prefer the redesign aesthetically though.
The trick is dont use the slides, I rest my hand on the bottom sill and tap the icon to adjust levels and functions. Im getting to like how it works, some other features I dont like are having to turn off annoying driver assists like the backwards neck breaker emergency stop that activated going from gravel drive to asphalt street. I have no problem with the crowded instrument cluster.
 

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https://www.nhtsa.gov/?nhtsaId=25V788000

November 14, 2025

NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 25V788000

Instrument Panel Display Failure


An instrument panel display that does not show critical information, such as warning lights or vehicle speed, increases the risk of a crash.

NHTSA ID Number: 25V788000
Manufacturer Ford Motor Company
Components ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Potential Number of Units Affected: 229,609

Summary
Ford Motor Company (Ford) is recalling certain 2025-2026 Bronco and Bronco Sport vehicles. The Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) may fail at startup.

Remedy
The instrument panel cluster software will be updated by a dealer or through an over-the-air (OTA) update, free of charge. Owner notification letters are expected to be mailed December 8, 2025. Owners may contact Ford customer service at 1-866-436-7332. Ford's number for this recall is 25SC3.


Ford Bronco Sport Recall: Instrument Cluster Panel Display Failure (NHTSA Recall 25V788) -- 2025-2026 Bronco Sport {filename}


Ford Bronco Sport Recall: Instrument Cluster Panel Display Failure (NHTSA Recall 25V788) -- 2025-2026 Bronco Sport {filename}


Ford Bronco Sport Recall: Instrument Cluster Panel Display Failure (NHTSA Recall 25V788) -- 2025-2026 Bronco Sport {filename}


Ford Bronco Sport Recall: Instrument Cluster Panel Display Failure (NHTSA Recall 25V788) -- 2025-2026 Bronco Sport {filename}
So did anyone hear this was an issue before the recall. I dont recall it being mentioned.
 

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First recall on my '25 BSBB :sadface:

If I have automatic OTA updates enabled, will it automatically update?

The text from the recall seems to imply I still have to schedule when the OTA update is performed.

Remedy
Software is now available to repair your vehicle. Ford Motor Company has released software for 25SC3. Your vehicle is capable of Ford software updates. When automatic updates are turned on standard from the factory, the software will be downloaded to your vehicle over a private wi-fi network or through your vehicles modem through the cellular network. Before the software installs you will have to schedule a day and time when you will not need the vehicle for up to 45 minutes while the installation completes. Note - refer to ford.comsupport for further information on your Ford software updates system. Should the software fail to load or install properly, Ford has authorized your dealer to install 25SC3 software free of charge under the terms of this program. This website only displays recalls that are incomplete. If you do not see this recall listed on this website, then be assured that the remedy has been completed and no further action is required. If you have any questions, please contact your local Ford dealer. The time needed for this software installation is approximately 45 minutes. If you prefer to go to your dealer for the software update, the time needed for this repair is less than one-half day. However, due to service scheduling requirements, your dealer may need your vehicle for a longer period of time.
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