Blind Spot Monitoring Sound?

[Rogerthat898]

I would bet that sometime in the near future Blind spot monitoring will be mandatory on vehicles, just like reverse cameras. Then a few years later an audible sound will end up being required.

I work in the forklift industry and warehouses have used flashing/strobe lights to reduce accidents and injury. After time people working in a warehouse become numb to seeing a light blinking and it loses effectiveness. So they they change color occasionally to the same result.
So they add audible sounds with the lights to help protect people.

I don't think anyone can debate that having a light accompanied by a sound wouldn't reduce the amount of crashes in automobiles.

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[jkeaton]

This is my first car with a warning for the blind spot and I like it, so no complains. I do agree that a
"beep" is not necessary if you use your mirrors correctly. BUT in the first month I almost crashed twice changing lanes (check mirror, turn signal, check mirror and turn) because a car in the blind spot, wasn't used to that warning light so didn't even pay attention at it, I would definitely notice a warning sound.

First thing we did was install those small circular blind spot mirrors on the side mirrors. Why Ford didn't include those on this model like they do all the others is beyond me. Talk about cheaping out!

 

[Webini]

Folks should just use the vehicle for what it is designed for...driving. Put away any distractions (driver), and drive.

But that would be expecting too much, so therefore as a society, we expect others to design and inform us when we do wrong, or become a safety hazard.

Good grief, I all I asked is if a feature that other trucks have is available on the BS.

 

[Bucko]

Good grief, I all I asked is if a feature that other trucks have is available on the BS.

And I'm countering with these are not needed, as they add to the price of the vehicle. They are really not needed if drivers pay attention.

How did my parents driving us kids around ever survive driving without them? Because they paid attention. If us kids got spunky in the back seat causing dad or mom to loose concentration driving, we got a shoe tossed at us. Or, dad slammed the brakes, and we ended up slammed against the front seat. Then dad got mad because he had to brake, slowing the speed of the vehicle, and that caused lost time getting to the destination. We did not get ice cream that day.

 

[jkeaton]

Good grief, I all I asked is if a feature that other trucks have is available on the BS.

Welcome to the internet.

 

[davidg4781]

And I'm countering with these are not needed, as they add to the price of the vehicle. They are really not needed if drivers pay attention.

How did my parents driving us kids around ever survive driving without them? Because they paid attention. If us kids got spunky in the back seat causing dad or mom to loose concentration driving, we got a shoe tossed at us. Or, dad slammed the brakes, and we ended up slammed against the front seat. Then dad got mad because he had to brake, slowing the speed of the vehicle, and that caused lost time getting to the destination. We did not get ice cream that day.

I get what you're saying about this. For poor drivers, this might help them avoid the many accidents they're bound to have.

For alert drivers, I think these systems help to avoid accidents that OTHERS might cause.

I think one time my mom's Honda saved me was when I was changing lanes and about half way through someone else sped up and wanted to get into the same spot. I saw them coming and reacted but that beep went off and let me know. The lane was clear and most probably wouldn't have been watching. Another time was when someone changed lanes in front of me and slowed down. If I had blinked at the wrong time I might have missed them but her CR-V alerted me.

I don't think it was a financial decision to not include an actual beep. Maybe it's the type of monitoring system. I do wish there was a beep when someone gets in your lane and activates the ACC slow down. I have mine set to furthest away (not much traffic in my part of Texas) and it'll slow me down 1-2 mph if someone gets in my way. Not much for me to quickly notice so I can change lanes or make a decision. But it can slow me down just a bit. A beep will let me know I need to get around that car.

 

[Webini]

And I'm countering with these are not needed, as they add to the price of the vehicle. They are really not needed if drivers pay attention.

How did my parents driving us kids around ever survive driving without them? Because they paid attention. If us kids got spunky in the back seat causing dad or mom to loose concentration driving, we got a shoe tossed at us. Or, dad slammed the brakes, and we ended up slammed against the front seat. Then dad got mad because he had to brake, slowing the speed of the vehicle, and that caused lost time getting to the destination. We did not get ice cream that day.

Adding a beep adds to cost? There is already a beep for collision warnings.
You don’t like these systems. Noted. Don’t use them. They reduce accidents though.

 

[Horse n Buggy]

Obviously we don’t know, and will probably never know, why Ford left off a Beep indication in conjunction with Light for BLIS, but there could be a more nuanced reason other then just trying to pinch pennies. There are hundreds if not thousands of feature based decisions made in every new car down to what beeps, what rumbles, how long something illuminates but at the end of the day a line has to drawn somewhere. Lights, Beeps, Seat vibrations or electric shocks are all up designers, marketing, budgeting, assembly and who knows how many other roles and positions. While some people may prefer a combo, there are most likely no significant studies to show Beeps, in addition to lights, reduce accidents when turning or changing lanes, and if you push the topic the answer of lights vs beeps vs rumbles the answer is more than likely, self-driving correction responses from the vehicle.



With specific regard to the sport, and in my opinion, the only beep that is going to stop someone from running into you when lane changing is your horn

 

[Mark S.]

Adding a beep adds to cost? There is already a beep for collision warnings.
You don’t like these systems. Noted. Don’t use them. They reduce accidents though.

Yes, adding an audible warning would add to cost. First, the audible warning would have to be different from the forward collision warning, or drivers might get confused about which warning they are receiving. Second, you would need to add a way to sense when both the turn signal and the BLIS light are activated. Third, you would have to add some way to monitor all the sensors and switches and warn the driver of system malfunctions, and to determine if it's the visual and/or audio warning that's not working. All of this would require modification of the car's software to accommodate a new/different audible warning.

TANSTAAFL.

BTW, I can find no research whatsoever that suggests an audible warning in addition to the visual increases safety. If you can find something I'd like to read it.

 

[Rogerthat898]

Yes, adding an audible warning would add to cost. First, the audible warning would have to be different from the forward collision warning, or drivers might get confused about which warning they are receiving. Second, you would need to add a way to sense when both the turn signal and the BLIS light are activated. Third, you would have to add some way to monitor all the sensors and switches and warn the driver of system malfunctions, and to determine if it's the visual and/or audio warning that's not working. All of this would require modification of the car's software to accommodate a new/different audible warning.

TANSTAAFL.

BTW, I can find no research whatsoever that suggests an audible warning in addition to the visual increases safety. If you can find something I'd like to read it.

Research just on this thread alone shows that an audible sound has prevented an accident with just some of the people contributing to this thread.
Most people are downplaying this feature even though they never have owned/operated a vehicle with it.

 

[Mark S.]

Research just on this thread alone shows that an audible sound has prevented an accident with just some of the people contributing to this thread.
Most people are downplaying this feature even though they never have owned/operated a vehicle with it.

One person relaying their personal experience is anecdote, not research. Further, people have been known to make things up to support their arguments, which is one of the reasons I don't make decisions based on claims from individuals, much less anonymous (to me) social media posts. I'm not saying you or anyone else has made anything up, I'm simply saying there's no way to prove otherwise. The IIHS collects a tremendous amount of accident data, which is a far better resource than social media anecdote. The research I've found indeed shows that a blind spot warning device can prevent accidents. But as far as I can tell, it does not distinguish between visual and audible warnings regarding efficacy. If you can find any research that DOES distinguish please share it; it might make the difference the next time someone is shopping for a vehicle.

 

[rocks]

One person relaying their personal experience is anecdote, not research. Further, people have been known to make things up to support their arguments, which is one of the reasons I don't make decisions based on claims from individuals, much less anonymous (to me) social media posts. I'm not saying you or anyone else has made anything up, I'm simply saying there's no way to prove otherwise. The IIHS collects a tremendous amount of accident data, which is a far better resource than social media anecdote. The research I've found indeed shows that a blind spot warning device can prevent accidents. But as far as I can tell, it does not distinguish between visual and audible warnings regarding efficacy. If you can find any research that DOES distinguish please share it; it might make the difference the next time someone is shopping for a vehicle.

The other thing is other auto manufacturers have the chime with the extra expense. So you would think they feel the chime is an added safety feature.

 

[Mark S.]

The other thing is other auto manufacturers have the chime with the extra expense. So you would think they feel the chime is an added safety feature.

Some blind spot warning system also rumble the steering wheel and/or make steering inputs. Do these actually add to safety, or are manufacturers simply looking for a way to distinguish themselves from other manufacturers? A study of accident data would be the only way to know for certain. Some things that seem like common sense do not turn out to be when you look at the data. For example, a lane departure warning system seems like a no-brainer when it comes to reducing accident rates, but a study by the Highway Loss Data Institute suggests that's not the case.

 

[Horse n Buggy]

The other thing is other auto manufacturers have the chime with the extra expense. So you would think they feel the chime is an added safety feature.

The Maverick and the Bronco Sport are both based off the C2 platform and both assembled in the Hermosillio plant. The Maverick is a huge bread winner from a fleet vehicle perspective, and fleet vehicles tend to be simple, stripped back and bulletproof choices. The Maverick and the Bronco Sport both began production in the middle of the computer chip shortage. Simplified and streamlined production tends to be a goal when it comes to mass production, and having two different electrical bases (one to support a beep and whatever chips and sensors it needs) and the light only version would complicate production from timeframe and cost perspectives. Organizing delivery and purchasing of the two different systems complicates the cost and production of both vehicles, completely switching over to a different system with a different electrical base impacts cost and production.



Ford at some point decided a beep was not necessary for these vehicles, be it cost, availability of electrical chips, production and delivery time frames, focus group preference we don’t know. Clearly Ford doesn’t view it as necessary or critical improvement to their BLIS already installed otherwise it would be a costed option in some trim. One companies reasoning for including something as standard and another companies reason for excluding it are their own, as a consumer its your choice who you give your money to for what features you want.



Just because the Hummer EV vibrates the left or right side of your bottom when straying from your lane doesn’t automatically mean every company needs haptic seats as a standard safety feature

 

[rocks]

Some blind spot warning system also rumble the steering wheel and/or make steering inputs. Do these actually add to safety, or manufacturers simply looking for a way to distinguish themselves from other manufacturers? A study of accident data would be the only way to know for certain. Some things that seem like common sense do not turn out to be when you look at the data. For example, a lane departure warning system seems like a no-brainer when it comes to reducing accident rates, but a study by the Highway Loss Data Institute suggests that's not the case.

QUOTE="Horse n Buggy, post: 171614, member: 9020"]
The Maverick and the Bronco Sport are both based off the C2 platform and both assembled in the Hermosillio plant. The Maverick is a huge bread winner from a fleet vehicle perspective, and fleet vehicles tend to be simple, stripped back and bulletproof choices. The Maverick and the Bronco Sport both began production in the middle of the computer chip shortage. Simplified and streamlined production tends to be a goal when it comes to mass production, and having two different electrical bases (one to support a beep and whatever chips and sensors it needs) and the light only version would complicate production from timeframe and cost perspectives. Organizing delivery and purchasing of the two different systems complicates the cost and production of both vehicles, completely switching over to a different system with a different electrical base impacts cost and production.



Ford at some point decided a beep was not necessary for these vehicles, be it cost, availability of electrical chips, production and delivery time frames, focus group preference we don’t know. Clearly Ford doesn’t view it as necessary or critical improvement to their BLIS already installed otherwise it would be a costed option in some trim. One companies reasoning for including something as standard and another companies reason for excluding it are their own, as a consumer its your choice who you give your money to for what features you want.



Just because the Hummer EV vibrates the left or right side of your bottom when straying from your lane doesn’t automatically mean every company needs haptic seats as a standard safety feature
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We'll have to agree to disagree.

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