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Well, that redesigned rendering looks like a small 4Runner.
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I agree, although I wouldn't own one of the gutless and unreliable 1.5L. Ford seems to have positioned the BS as a low cost SUV. Given that and their fuel mileage mandates I suspect the 1.5 will remain the base engine. I think if they offered the 2.0 and it's drive train as an option on all models there would be some takers. If they offer an upgraded trim with the 2.3 and more clearance, the price will be such that I would consider a Bronco or maybe a 25 4Runner or LandCruiser. I will likely trade for a 25 model.Agreed - no way Ford would make the 2.0 standard. 90% of BS are 1.5, very few want the added fuel penalty of the 2.0
I, for one, welcomed the "added fuel penalty."Agreed - no way Ford would make the 2.0 standard. 90% of BS are 1.5, very few want the added fuel penalty of the 2.0
Be ready for the 1.5L crew to tar and feather you... If they can catch up.I agree, although I wouldn't own one of the gutless and unreliable 1.5L. Ford seems to have positioned the BS as a low cost SUV. Given that and their fuel mileage mandates I suspect the 1.5 will remain the base engine. I think if they offered the 2.0 and it's drive train as an option on all models there would be some takers. If they offer an upgraded trim with the 2.3 and more clearance, the price will be such that I would consider a Bronco or maybe a 25 4Runner or LandCruiser. I will likely trade for a 25 model.
I agree, although I wouldn't own one of the gutless and unreliable 1.5L. Ford seems to have positioned the BS as a low cost SUV. Given that and their fuel mileage mandates I suspect the 1.5 will remain the base engine. I think if they offered the 2.0 and it's drive train as an option on all models there would be some takers. If they offer an upgraded trim with the 2.3 and more clearance, the price will be such that I would consider a Bronco or maybe a 25 4Runner or LandCruiser. I will likely trade for a 25 model.
I mean, the BS is designed to be built as quickly as possible and as cheaply as possible - so let's start there. Keeping the 1.5 makes total sense because the market has widely accepted it for what it is: basic transportation that looks very nice and can be equipped a bit, but no different than many others in the segment.I, for one, welcomed the "added fuel penalty."
Is the 1.5L adequate? Sure, just like the wheezy flat 4 in our 11 year old Subaru. It does the job but it isn't exactly BMW level performance either.
I just happen to like being able to accelerate quickly to merge into traffic and punch it to avoid issues on the road. I also don't like the idea of anything less than 4 cylinders.
Be ready for the 1.5L crew to tar and feather you... If they can catch up.
My previous car , ‘21 Kia Seltos had the perfect rear camera that would never be obstructed! Definitely my biggest complaint with the BS is the rear camera and how easy it gets water/debris on it.The 360 cameras are a great idea. I hope they fixed the rear camera. It's always foggy and if it gets a little water on it it's almost useless. Other cars I drove the rear camera is so much clearer and brighter.
The market choice is restricted by Ford only putting the 2.0L in its highest price trims and in the case of the BS, limiting that Badlands to 15% of production. In short, the market has limited choice, because of production limits and pricing.I mean, the BS is designed to be built as quickly as possible and as cheaply as possible - so let's start there. Keeping the 1.5 makes total sense because the market has widely accepted it for what it is: basic transportation that looks very nice and can be equipped a bit, but no different than many others in the segment.
Throwing rocks at the 1.5 vs 2.0 makes no sense - everyone is driving the same basic vehicles LOL...and I mean, again, the market has spoken, the 1.5 win big time...
I think this is a good point however I do feel that especially now since the market has settled a bit that the price between a BS Badlands and a lower trim full size Bronco is so close (depending on amenities) that those who would opt to purchase the Badlands would just as soon purchase a lower trim full size. Thus limiting the need to produce a bunch of 2.0L.The market choice is restricted by Ford only putting the 2.0L in its highest price trims and in the case of the BS, limiting that Badlands to 15% of production. In short, the market has limited choice, because of production limits and pricing.
EPA figures are limited to specific driving styles iirc. If you putt around like a turtle, then the lower displacement is likely fine. However, if you have any sort of lead foot at all, the smaller motor will always be in boost and be using more fuel. I would suspect real world driving figures are probably closer to equal for both options. This is also evident in the big Bronco, which actually gets worse real world highway than city mileage because of the lackluster displacement combined with terrible aerodynamics.Do people actually make a deal out of the MPG? Just cant see being that tight that id care a bout the few MPG between the two.
Iv had the 1.5 and now the the 2.0 and the 2.0 is superior, i would not own a BS with out the 2.0.
If MPG is your thing my '21 Mustang GT has 400+ HP and gets better highway MPG.
I don't think anyone is making the argument that the 1.5 is better than the 2.0. I think we can all agree that the 2.0 is in fact the better engine. However, that does not mean the 1.5 is unreliable, unsafe, garbage, etc like some claim it to be. I find it impressive with how much they are able to squeeze out of a small 3-cylinder.Do people actually make a deal out of the MPG? Just cant see being that tight that id care a bout the few MPG between the two.
Iv had the 1.5 and now the the 2.0 and the 2.0 is superior, i would not own a BS with out the 2.0.
If MPG is your thing my '21 Mustang GT has 400+ HP and gets better highway MPG.
If people didn't care about MPG then why would Hybrids like the Prius and Maverick sell so well? Just because you are In a financial situation where your MPG doesn't matter to you, doesn't mean there are not others where that is important. Gas costs more in different cities, states and countries and believe it or not, not everyone wants to burn extra fuel for no real benefit.Do people actually make a deal out of the MPG? Just cant see being that tight that id care a bout the few MPG between the two.
Iv had the 1.5 and now the the 2.0 and the 2.0 is superior, i would not own a BS with out the 2.0.
If MPG is your thing my '21 Mustang GT has 400+ HP and gets better highway MPG.