Enough is enough. Auto stop/start.

[gstalnaker]

So much to like in your post. First of all “sport mode automatically turns off A.S.S.” I truly laughed out loud at that. Secondly, The Bronco is the first car I have driven with a sport mode that actually made me feel like it was actually doing something. I do like driving in that mode. I’m sure there are plenty of other examples of good sport modes, but I do prefer the sport mode in the Bronc. Lastly, I experience that lag and chug you reference also.

I didn't play with the modes much in my F150 - Normal & Tow Mode. But I discovered that Sport mode was excellent in construction areas (that wasin Little Rock AR) and heavy traffic where responsiveness was very useful in stop & start traffic.

If I could create my own mode, it would be a mix of Normal up to 20 mph, Sport 20-50 mph, and Normal above 50mph. I might even pay some $$ if I could buy a gizmo that would let me do that.

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[jlpskydive]

Reading this as I paitiantly wait on Livernois to come out with the the tune package for the 25 - 2.0..... I also hate the ASS "feature" in the car.....

 

[Stircrazy]

That’s your opinion not mine.

so you are saying you want ford to cancle a feature because it is your opinion that it is anoying. where thousands of other people don't share your opinion. see what I am getting at

 

[Stircrazy]

I will be getting one. As a mechanic, I have never seen anything so stupid in all my life. I f it would work by shutting down and then starting up when you touch the brake, that wouldn't be so bad but to restart 20 seconds later while still at a stop!!! That is a total waste.

the restart is based on a few things, a slight easing on the brake peddel will start it, trying to turn the stearing wheel will restart it and as soon as the battery hits a spicific level it will restart. (there are probably other conditions but you get the point) so if it is hot and the ac is going full blast it will restart fairly quickly. I have had it stay off for over a minuit in the early spring, but like you have seen 20 or 30 seconds on a hot day.

 

[SteveI]

'25 Badlands here: I guess I don't get it - I have to physically press the brake in way further than required to come to a complete stop to get this to activate. If I just stop normally it won't activate. If I stop at a light that is about to change, I just stop normally and the engine keeps running. If I stop at a light that I know will be awhile to change, I press down all the way and the engine shuts off - when I am ready to go, I just press gas normally. The only thing I really notice is that it's quieter when I have the engine stop, but otherwise no issue.

 

[DWG]

I understand that there are a lot of people that just do not like the Auto Start Stop. That's ok but I am not sure that even if the feature is no longer a requirement the manufacturers will totally remove it. From their prospective it probably adds to their CAFE numbers and even adding a mile or two to the mpg rating becomes a big deal when advertising their vehicles.

From my own experience the auto start stop restarts the engine as soon as I take my foot off the brake and I am immediately able to move forward as soon as I put my foot on the gas pedal. Many times I do not even notice that the engine stopped and restarted. I have noticed from driving loaners some vehicles even of the same model will restart a little harsher than others. I have not noticed any delay restarting and being able to accelerate with the exception of a 23 Escape which had a software issue where after taking my foot off the brake the car would not move forward for a few seconds because of a software issue with the antilock brakes. I got Ford to buy that vehicle back and later found out it took them a year to fix the software issue.

Also I do not use the auto brake hold feature but if I recall correctly that could cause a delay in being able to move forward since you have to step on the gas to release the brake hold.

 

[gstalnaker]

So much to like in your post. First of all “sport mode automatically turns off A.S.S.” I truly laughed out loud at that. Secondly, The Bronco is the first car I have driven with a sport mode that actually made me feel like it was actually doing something. I do like driving in that mode. I’m sure there are plenty of other examples of good sport modes, but I do prefer the sport mode in the Bronc. Lastly, I experience that lag and chug you reference also.

I'll note I am very surprised at just how sporty this I3 1.5L engine can be in Sport mode!! It will get up and go. It's not a 5.0L V8, that's for sure, but it's not moving nearly 3 tons of truck. I do miss that V8 sound at full throttle. For us oldsters a V8 is a beautiful sound (1st car, Chevy BelAir 327ci V8, 2nd a Ford GranTorino 351ci V8 - I was a very stupid 18 y.o. 8n those cars LOL).

 

[DWG]

'25 Badlands here: I guess I don't get it - I have to physically press the brake in way further than required to come to a complete stop to get this to activate. If I just stop normally it won't activate. If I stop at a light that is about to change, I just stop normally and the engine keeps running. If I stop at a light that I know will be awhile to change, I press down all the way and the engine shuts off - when I am ready to go, I just press gas normally. The only thing I really notice is that it's quieter when I have the engine stop, but otherwise no issue.

Yes, same here. If I lightly brake and when I come to a stop if I have not pressed harder on the brake the auto start/stop will not engage. Sometimes at a stop in a busy intersection I will lighten the pressure on the brake without fully releasing the brake to have the engine start back up before the light changes to green.

Just a side note. I have noticed if the outside ambient temperature reaches 90 degrees according to the temperature reading on the dashboard the auto start/stop stops engaging so that the air conditioner can stay on while stopped.

 

[jkernitzki]

Just a side note. I have noticed if the outside ambient temperature reaches 90 degrees according to the temperature reading on the dashboard the auto start/stop stops engaging so that the air conditioner can stay on while stopped.

Hell, my garage doesn't get below 90 for five months out of the year. July-August I'm lucky if it get below 100 overnight.

 

[catrikejoe]

>> The big Broncos are the ones that can have issues with the battery system when disabling it.

The big Broncos have issues with the battery system if you even add simple things, like hotspots or USB hubs. The electrical systems in the Bronco are right on the operational edge from the factory. Ask me how I know...

 

[incavulator]

I understand that there are a lot of people that just do not like the Auto Start Stop. That's ok but I am not sure that even if the feature is no longer a requirement the manufacturers will totally remove it. From their prospective it probably adds to their CAFE numbers and even adding a mile or two to the mpg rating becomes a big deal when advertising their vehicles.

From my own experience the auto start stop restarts the engine as soon as I take my foot off the brake and I am immediately able to move forward as soon as I put my foot on the gas pedal. Many times I do not even notice that the engine stopped and restarted. I have noticed from driving loaners some vehicles even of the same model will restart a little harsher than others. I have not noticed any delay restarting and being able to accelerate with the exception of a 23 Escape which had a software issue where after taking my foot off the brake the car would not move forward for a few seconds because of a software issue with the antilock brakes. I got Ford to buy that vehicle back and later found out it took them a year to fix the software issue.

Also I do not use the auto brake hold feature but if I recall correctly that could cause a delay in being able to move forward since you have to step on the gas to release the brake hold.

If you use the auto start-stop feature with the brake hold feature, the engine will not restart until you push the accelerator pedal (vs. just lifting off the brake if brake-hold is not enabled).

I found this interesting because working as an automotive engineer, the initial version of auto-stop start had the re-start tied to the application of the accelerator pedal. That was not well received by customers, so the re-start was moved to the release of the brake pedal based on the status of the brake switch.

That was still deemed "unacceptable" to customers, so the brake switch was replaced with a brake pedal position sensor to provide better response to a customer lifting off the brake pedal to accelerate again. All this to more quickly react to a customer wanting torque to move forward again after an engine stop.

Now, with the brake hold feature and stop-start enabled, we're going backwards to the original implementation. I guess it's really the only way those two features can function simultaneously.

 

[SteveI]

If you use the auto start-stop feature with the brake hold feature, the engine will not restart until you push the accelerator pedal (vs. just lifting off the brake if brake-hold is not enabled).

I actually quite like this - if I am at in an area where I know all of the lights will be very long, I use the brake hold and can completely relax while stopped. Combined with the engine shutting off, It is really a huge stress reduction.

 

[DWG]

If you use the auto start-stop feature with the brake hold feature, the engine will not restart until you push the accelerator pedal (vs. just lifting off the brake if brake-hold is not enabled).

I found this interesting because working as an automotive engineer, the initial version of auto-stop start had the re-start tied to the application of the accelerator pedal. That was not well received by customers, so the re-start was moved to the release of the brake pedal based on the status of the brake switch.

That was still deemed "unacceptable" to customers, so the brake switch was replaced with a brake pedal position sensor to provide better response to a customer lifting off the brake pedal to accelerate again. All this to more quickly react to a customer wanting torque to move forward again after an engine stop.

Now, with the brake hold feature and stop-start enabled, we're going backwards to the original implementation. I guess it's really the only way those two features can function simultaneously.

That is what I thought. That would explain a longer delay in the engine restarting and moving forward.

 

[Scapino]

I haven’t found much else that I dislike about the Bronco. (No spare tire is another).

No spare tire? My '21 OB came with a spare. Is that something that Ford did away with recently?

 

[Sd8603]

Just bought the 4DTECH start/stop eliminator because I was tired of turning it off. They do a military discount and out the door was $89.99. Can't wait for it to remove that little bit of annoyance for the car.

You can also get the COBB Accessport to remove the feature as well as update tire size/MPG in addition to a tune.

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