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[B5G4B]

Nobody should be surprised that an SUV, even a small one, running a 1.5 3 cylinder engine would have issues out of the gate. Ford would have been better off giving every BS the 2.0.

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[rocks]

Nobody should be surprised that an SUV, even a small one, running a 1.5 3 cylinder engine would have issues out of the gate. Ford would have been better off giving every BS the 2.0.

Ford probably couldn't because of the silly CAFE regulations.

 

[sajohnson]

I read what you wrote, I just disagree with you. A recall results in the same hassle for an owner as a breakdown--a visit to the dealership service department. It IS evidence that a manufacturer is working to proactively fix problems, but it's still a hassle for the owner subject to one.

True, no one wants the hassle of going to the dealer, possibly being without their car for days -- even if there is no charge. That goes without saying. There can be no sugar coating recalls.

However, there is a distinction between a car that has a couple recalls and then runs flawlessly for the next 200,000 miles and one that (recalls or no) is constantly having random, unforeseen problems throughout its life.

Neither is good, but the former is clearly preferable to the latter. The recall hassle is generally much less because a) the problem is known, b) the techs have a TSB, c) the dealership should have the required parts in stock, and d) the owner can schedule the repairs at their convenience (or least inconvenience).

Contrast that with a car that has recurring problems -- some minor, but some perhaps serious enough to leave the vehicle stranded in the middle of an intersection or interstate highway, as has been reported here.

There is little similarity between the two.

You've read enough of my posts to know that I am no fanboy of Ford, or any other mfr. I'm not trying to minimize the significance of the BS recalls. They are clearly a black eye for Ford. What I am saying is that they are not AS bad as random failures, and they do not necessarily indicate that the BS will be unreliable going forward.

An analogy might be people who get into legal trouble when they are young. They might continue on to a life of crime and be in and out of prison, or they might straighten up and go on to have a good life and successful career. The 'brush with the law' is not necessarily a predictor of future behavior.

 

[Granger Ford]

What other vehicles are being repaired that are using these as loaners?

We are a CDJR and Ford dealership, so any of those models in that product line From F-250 to a Dodge hornet. haha

 

[hellb0y]

True, no one wants the hassle of going to the dealer, possibly being without their car for days -- even if there is no charge. That goes without saying. There can be no sugar coating recalls.

However, there is a distinction between a car that has a couple recalls and then runs flawlessly for the next 200,000 miles and one that (recalls or no) is constantly having random, unforeseen problems throughout its life.

Neither is good, but the former is clearly preferable to the latter. The recall hassle is generally much less because a) the problem is known, b) the techs have a TSB, c) the dealership should have the required parts in stock, and d) the owner can schedule the repairs at their convenience (or least inconvenience).

Contrast that with a car that has recurring problems -- some minor, but some perhaps serious enough to leave the vehicle stranded in the middle of an intersection or interstate highway, as has been reported here.

There is little similarity between the two.

You've read enough of my posts to know that I am no fanboy of Ford, or any other mfr. I'm not trying to minimize the significance of the BS recalls. They are clearly a black eye for Ford. What I am saying is that they are not AS bad as random failures, and they do not necessarily indicate that the BS will be unreliable going forward.

An analogy might be people who get into legal trouble when they are young. They might continue on to a life of crime and be in and out of prison, or they might straighten up and go on to have a good life and successful career. The 'brush with the law' is not necessarily a predictor of future behavior.

recalls alone don’t give a vehicle a low score, so you know….it plays a role, but if the BS was 100% reliable it would probably show up in the 70s…

 

[sajohnson]

recalls alone don’t give a vehicle a low score, so you know….it plays a role, but if the BS was 100% reliable it would probably show up in the 70s…

Not being a smartass, but I'm not sure I follow.

If you're talking about CR, initially, before the recalls, the BS had a "very good" or "excellent" reliability rating. After the recalls it dropped to 1 or 2/5 -- "poor" or "fair".

That (in part) is what lead to my posts above.

 

[Bucko]

We are a CDJR and Ford dealership, so any of those models in that product line From F-250 to a Dodge hornet. haha

You come across as a good dealership, concerned for their customers. Thanks for that!

I look in anticipation for one of those Dodge Hornets on the road. Have not seen one yet in the Gainesville area.

 

[Bucko]

Nobody should be surprised that an SUV, even a small one, running a 1.5 3 cylinder engine would have issues out of the gate. Ford would have been better off giving every BS the 2.0.

Why?

 

[69cuda340s]

Ford would have been better off giving every BS the 2.0.

If that were the case zero Bronco Sports would be on dealer lots they would be sold day they came off car carrier....

 

[hellb0y]

Not being a smartass, but I'm not sure I follow.

If you're talking about CR, initially, before the recalls, the BS had a "very good" or "excellent" reliability rating. After the recalls it dropped to 1 or 2/5 -- "poor" or "fair".

That (in part) is what lead to my posts above.

you are linking one cause to the whole ordeal - that is incorrect. CR had no data prior to 2021, so they make educated assumptions based on vehicle parts, usage (especially from the Escape…)…
Then in 2022, they started to pile more data…some with 2023….

now CR has 3 years of data, they can predict reliability with more precision…and here we are. Recalls over that time period is just ONE data point, add surveys, data gathering to that…

 

[RushMan]

If that were the case zero Bronco Sports would be on dealer lots they would be sold day they came off car carrier....

And I wonder what fraction of the Bronco Sports produced are Badlands.

 

[rocks]

And I wonder what fraction of the Bronco Sports produced are Badlands.

Maybe #2.. I think the Big Bend is the best seller by far.

 

[Mark S.]

True, no one wants the hassle of going to the dealer, possibly being without their car for days -- even if there is no charge. That goes without saying. There can be no sugar coating recalls.

However, there is a distinction between a car that has a couple recalls and then runs flawlessly for the next 200,000 miles and one that (recalls or no) is constantly having random, unforeseen problems throughout its life.

Again, I understand your point, and I agree with you to a certain extent, just not as it pertains to the way CR rates vehicle reliability. The issue is--I think--that its reliability surveys are generally meant for people looking to buy a new car, not older cars with 200K miles on them. In that case, a consumer wants to know how often they can expect their new car will require a visit to the service department. For those people, CR's reliability data makes sense.

The page at this link covers in detail the way CR determines reliability ratings.

 

[LastBronco]

This was 2021…limited data and all.

2024, CR revised the reliability after a couple years of data collection. 2021 and 2022 received many red Xs - I can list them if you want, with 2023s showing much better reliability. Unfortunately though, that has hit the Bronco’s rating.

edit, a screenshot of the updated rating:

Oh it's getting much better 58....?

 

[petegee77]

This contradicts everything that I've read. If you're going to post something like this, please provide a link so others can also read it. Cheers.

I've actually read that the BS iis at the bottom of the compact SUV list and read that it's one of the higher rated ones. ALL FROM THE SAME SOURCE.... CONSUMER REPORTS. It just depends on which month it's being reported. frustrating !!!

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