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It has a proper locking rear diff and a dual transfer case. The Badlands doesn't have a low range and the dual clutch isn't as reliable as a locking rear diff. You can lock the Trailhawk into low and and true 4x4 all day.
It is true 4x4. You say improper locking rear diff that’s your opinion. The fact is they use a different method to lock the rear diff not an improper one. The trailhawk is heavier and requires more power and low range. Ford is more reliable than Jeep.

bandlands > cherokee trailhawk
Bronco 2/4 > wrangler
Raptor is greater than gladiator



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I actually liked the interior materials a lot. Now, I'm coming from a Subaru Crosstrek so maybe I just don't know what you're supposed to get for 40k.

I also really loved the instrument panel, it beats the tar out of the one in my Trailhawk. It's super clean and easy to read.
I've had a ford before and those cheap plastic bags degrade and get worn easily. Likely to fade with sun exposure as well. This isn't the good cheap plastic that means easy to clean, it means disappointment. Demuro all but said it
 

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The demuro review settled it for me. I won't be accepting my FE sport. The fact that the FE isn't fully loaded, mixed with the small size, under average mpg, and ford still using their cheap plastic interior is all enough for me to wait on my big brother OuterBanks reservation. I'll hope they put all their blood, sweat, tears, and passion into the real Bronco.
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I've had a ford before and those cheap plastic bags degrade and get worn easily. Likely to fade with sun exposure as well. This isn't the good cheap plastic that means easy to clean, it means disappointment. Demuro all but said it
It’s materials that say I don’t need luxurious material in my utility vehicle. You are disappointed while many are glad with the lack of plastic wood grain
 

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It is true 4x4. You say improper locking rear diff that’s your opinion. The fact is they use a different method to lock the rear diff not an improper one. The trailhawk is heavier and requires more power and low range. Ford is more reliable than Jeep.

bandlands > cherokee trailhawk
Bronco 2/4 > wrangler
Raptor is greater than gladiator

From The Bronco Owners manual:

"A message is displayed in the information display if the system overheats and switches to front-wheel drive. This condition could occur if you operate your vehicle in extreme high-load conditions or with excessive wheel slip, for example deep sand. To resume four-wheel drive function as soon as possible, stop your vehicle in a safe location and switch the ignition off for a minimum of 10 minutes. After the system cools, normal four-wheel drive functionality resumes. "

You're not going to find a warning like that on any vehicle with a real locking rear diff.
 

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From The Bronco Owners manual:

"A message is displayed in the information display if the system overheats and switches to front-wheel drive. This condition could occur if you operate your vehicle in extreme high-load conditions or with excessive wheel slip, for example deep sand. To resume four-wheel drive function as soon as possible, stop your vehicle in a safe location and switch the ignition off for a minimum of 10 minutes. After the system cools, normal four-wheel drive functionality resumes. "

You're not going to find a warning like that on any vehicle with a real locking rear diff.
You will find a temperature gauge on every vehicle. Yes every vehicle can overheat. Operate your trailhawk in extreme high-load conditions and tell me how your “real” 4x4 has endless cooling. Or lock the rear diff and drive in a circle for a bit and prove how your trailhawk is indestructible. Or should I get your manual out and find the same advice?

Any vehicle yes including your “real” locking diff will over heat if the vehicle is in “extreme high-load conditions”

Here is the cherokee version. They recommend to idle the vehicle with the air off and heater on until the vehicle cools or turn the engine off immediately and call for service.

From the Cherokee Owners Manual:
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I briefly test drove a big bend at my dealership without the big bend package. I thought for a smaller engine it has good acceleration, the ride feels solid over bumps, not uncomfortable. It does sit high and looking over the hood has a good view but you could notice the bulbous hood. I sat behind myself and felt a little cramped (I'm 6 feet). I drive a 2018 Rav4 and I thought it did feel roomy in the front but in the rear feels more compact. I had a good impression from the big bend so hopefully the badlands I'd be stoked

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So far, I'm pleased with the reviews. I have yet to confirm headlamp efficiently at highway speeds. Again, my only concern is the first build year. There has never been a first year vehicle that did not need revisions in the following year. I'm against a hard deadline to build a storm chase vehicle by May 1st. of next year, so my options are limited. I don't believe my Sport will be ready until late January, so I have a little time to consider more reports.

My other concern, which no one has addressed, is safety. As far as I know, the BS has not been crash tested yet. With a completely new body design, this is an unknown factor and has me hesitant to jump in 100%.

The three vehicles I'm considering are the Exporter Timberline (to be released soon) and the Cherokee Trailhawk. I've given up on hybrids for the next 2-3 years until there is a decent 4x4 with A+ handling and power. I also have a better chance of a sponsorship with GMC vs. Ford, given their current marketing strategies.

The only problem with the Trailhawk is that the "Cherokee" Trailhawk does not have leather seats and the headlamp upgrades. The Grand Cherokee version has those options, but it does not have the off-road suspension. Sometimes I wonder if auto makers really want to make people happy and make sales.
 
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So far, I'm pleased with the reviews. I have yet to confirm headlamp efficiently at highway speeds. Again, my only concern is the first build year. There has never been a first year vehicle that did not need revisions in the following year. I'm against a hard deadline to build a storm chase vehicle by May 1st. of next year, so my options are limited. I don't believe my Sport will be ready until late January, so I have a little time to consider more reports.

My other concern, which no one has addressed, is safety. As far as I know, the BS has not been crash tested yet. With a completely new body design, this is an unknown factor and has me hesitant to jump in 100%.

The three vehicles I'm considering are the Exporter Timberline (to be released soon) and the Cherokee Trailhawk. I've given up on hybrids for the next 2-3 years until there is a decent 4x4 with A+ handling and power. I also have a better chance of a sponsorship with GMC vs. Ford, given their current marketing strategies.
Every model year of all vehicles receive revisions. It will be less safe than 🚌 more safe than 🏍. The headlights appear to light a good distance.
 

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I briefly test drove a big bend at my dealership without the big bend package. I thought for a smaller engine it has good acceleration, the ride feels solid over bumps, not uncomfortable. It does sit high and looking over the hood has a good view but you could notice the bulbous hood. I sat behind myself and felt a little cramped (I'm 6 feet). I drive a 2018 Rav4 and I thought it did feel roomy in the front but in the rear feels more compact. I had a good impression from the big bend so hopefully the badlands I'd be stoked

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How did you like the color? Did you see a hint of green?
 

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The only problem with the Trailhawk is that the "Cherokee" Trailhawk does not have leather seats and the headlamp upgrades. The Grand Cherokee version has those options, but it does not have the off-road suspension. Sometimes I wonder if auto makers really want to make people happy and make sales.
The 2021 Cherokee Trailhawk has leather seats and all LED external lighting. The leather seats have some cloth sections at the small of you back and right under your butt. I actually like that.

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They did away with the elite option this year and rolled those upgrades into the base model and one of the packages.
 

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How did you like the color? Did you see a hint of green?
I like the color. I do see a hint of green. It does look like a color of a cactus. I was in between choosing cactus gray or area51. I more into blues so I reserved a Area51 Badlands. I just wanted to see how a lower trim model drives, but that's all they had for now
 

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From The Bronco Owners manual:

"A message is displayed in the information display if the system overheats and switches to front-wheel drive. This condition could occur if you operate your vehicle in extreme high-load conditions or with excessive wheel slip, for example deep sand. To resume four-wheel drive function as soon as possible, stop your vehicle in a safe location and switch the ignition off for a minimum of 10 minutes. After the system cools, normal four-wheel drive functionality resumes. "

You're not going to find a warning like that on any vehicle with a real locking rear diff.
Since the rear power transfer is supposed to have come from the Focus RS I thought it would be interesting to look into how that faired... Drifting and Sand mode would seem to be similar power transfer setups. If Badlands Sport is similar it may in fact not have temperature sensor either, but controller relies on other sensors like wheel spin and duration o spin to determine that the use exceeds the design. At that point simply reverts to front wheel drive operation. Only a curiosity to me since don't plan to either drift or drive on sand.

"Drifting the Focus RS at its launch in 2016.
LEE BRIMBLE
In a hot day of hard lapping at the Thermal Club in Palm Desert, I never experienced a “Rear Drive Unit Disengagement,” which was reported in a lot of RS enthusiast forums. Falsely attributed to an “overheating rear differential,” the RDU (which, FYI, does not have a temperature sensor to tell the engine of “overheating") is programmed to disengage through a series of “If X, then Y” algorithms in the ECU. If the car decides you are driving it in too abusive of a manner and might blow the thing up, it will disengage to save itself from your bad driving. The racing drivers at Mountune have never gotten their RDU to disengage, either. Some folks in the know, when asked about people’s claims of disengagement, responded to the effect of, “You have to drive it like a real asshole to get that to happen.”
 

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I like the color. I do see a hint of green. It does look like a color of a cactus. I was in between choosing cactus gray or area51. I more into blues so I reserved a Area51 Badlands. I just wanted to see how a lower trim model drives, but that's all they had for now
I'm deciding between a 2019+ RAV4 or 1.5 L Bronco Sport. Anything else stand out between the two? I know you have the older design, but still curious about your thoughts as a current RAV4 owner. Ty.
 

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Since the rear power transfer is supposed to have come from the Focus RS I thought it would be interesting to look into how that faired... Drifting and Sand mode would seem to be similar power transfer setups. If Badlands Sport is similar it may in fact not have temperature sensor either, but controller relies on other sensors like wheel spin and duration o spin to determine that the use exceeds the design. At that point simply reverts to front wheel drive operation. Only a curiosity to me since don't plan to either drift or drive on sand.

"Drifting the Focus RS at its launch in 2016.
LEE BRIMBLE
In a hot day of hard lapping at the Thermal Club in Palm Desert, I never experienced a “Rear Drive Unit Disengagement,” which was reported in a lot of RS enthusiast forums. Falsely attributed to an “overheating rear differential,” the RDU (which, FYI, does not have a temperature sensor to tell the engine of “overheating") is programmed to disengage through a series of “If X, then Y” algorithms in the ECU. If the car decides you are driving it in too abusive of a manner and might blow the thing up, it will disengage to save itself from your bad driving. The racing drivers at Mountune have never gotten their RDU to disengage, either. Some folks in the know, when asked about people’s claims of disengagement, responded to the effect of, “You have to drive it like a real asshole to get that to happen.”
and lady specifically said she “drove it like a mad women”. User error, purposeful or not
 

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