Making "Sport" mode more permanent

[Quashish]

I don't know, was such a snarky comment necessary? For most folks on this forum, "Stage 1" means nothing. What's "Stage 2"? "Stage 3"? That usually varies between who's doing the tuning.
Cheers!

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[hefler]

@Quashish
Sorry if you don't understand the meaning of Stage 1, 2, or 3. The folks I know in my circle, and others with more knowledge, are familiar with these terms.

Maybe in the US, you need to do things more by the book than think outside the box (please don't see this as a joke or me trying to be malicious).

KTuner is an example you can look up.

There are many companies that send the customer the steps to do the software calibration, but if you still don't get it, my bad.

Stage 1, 2, is not a product or process but describes the level of software/hardware modification (at least in South America and parts of Europe and Asia). In other words, a US company might not sell a product called 'Stage 2,' but they will create a custom tune for the car.

You are correct, but your choice of words was not the best - regurgitated.

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[Quashish]

@Quashish sorry if you don't understand the meaning of Stage 1, 2 or 3, for folks that I know in my circle and other with more knowledge they know.
Maybe in US you need to do more by the book than think out of the box (please don't see this as a joke or trying to be evil).
Ktuner is an example you can search.

There is many market company that sent to the customer the steps to do the Software Calibration but if you still don't get it, my bad

Stage 1,2.. is not a product or process but describe the level of software/harware modification (at least in South America and part of Europe and Asia), in another words, a US company might not sell a product called Stage 2, but they create a custom tune for the car

You are correct but your wording selection was not the best - regurgitated.

be in peace

i understand completely. You still havent answered the question. I have tuned many vehicles with varying degrees of performance flash tunes and standalone modules for drift cars.

 

[hefler]

Stage 1 is aftermarket flash tune - like a device and software suite that allows modification of software internal to the ECU to enhance performance by modifying a variety of parameters such as boost pressure, fueling, ignition timing, etc... and the monitoring of parameters.

Stage 2 and 3: stage 1 + for example

 

[cprcubed]

All I am getting at is that the "Stage" definition can vary between vendors and what is being marketed in those stages. If there is an Industry Standard for these definitions, please point me in that direction.
For example, for automatic transmission builds, the difference between what Vendor A and Vendor B provides for a Stage 1 build can vary quite a bit. The same goes for HEUI Diesel injectors.
Cheers!

 

[rugedraw]

All I am getting at is that the "Stage" definition can vary between vendors and what is being marketed in those stages. If there is an Industry Standard for these definitions, please point me in that direction.
For example, for automatic transmission builds, the difference between what Vendor A and Vendor B provides for a Stage 1 build can vary quite a bit. The same goes for HEUI Diesel injectors.
Cheers!

Agreed. At the risk of inserting myself in the crossfire here, I think the miscomminucation here is just the way certain vendors market the products they sell. Not all vendors use the stage 1-3 terminology when selling performance upgrades. In my case, both my vehicles are tune by Livernois. They sell you just the tuner but they don't call it "stage 1". They sell kits that include the tuner and more goodies, but don't call it "stage 2" and so on.

Therefore, there is no clear defnition of what stage 1-3 consists of. I would say for the most part, stage 1 is just a tune and stage 2-3 can vary depending on the vendor as far as what is included in terms of parts.

Either way, most people are apprehensive of tuning a vehicle due to warranty implications, so I doubt a tune is the solution the OP was looking for.

 

[hefler]

in the context of overall engine tuning, Stages refer to a generally accepted hardware recipe that the community understands (outside US as I can see). It's less of a marketing term and more of a communication.
Is like use band-aid to refer to an adhesive bandage or Google to do an online search. Most of the folks will get the reference, others don't.
If you go to a tune store and you want to increase the performance by software what you will ask for? There is no term or jargon that you can use?

 

[hefler]

Either way, most people are apprehensive of tuning a vehicle due to warranty implications, so I doubt a tune is the solution the OP was looking for.

Agree, I do the performance changes after the warranty expires

 

[jkernitzki]

My .02 on tunes and stages, coming from a 60's era motorhead: there is no such thing in the first place. The term "tune" is completely meaningless, and simply made up by the modding community over the last 20-30 years, borrowing from an actual tune up which was generally accepted as points/plugs/condenser with a timing and carb adjustment.

I've built and rebuilt more motors than I can remember, some stock (most not), and used thousands of factory and aftermarket parts to achieve my goal. None of these were ever referred to as "Stages" or "Levels" or any other such gobbledygook. If I threw in a Weiand tri-power and a 3/4 cam, that's what I said I did, not a "Stage 2.5 tune".

You can upgrade parts (intake, FI, exhaust, cams, etc.), and you can also remap the ECU in modern cars that have one. Either of those can be applied to the concept of "tuning" in the modern sense, but as we're seeing in this thread, there isn't a standard of what one means. Plus, If I upgrade intake & exhaust without any remapping, where does that place it?

"Commonly accepted" isn't even common. It means different things to different people in different regions, not only of the world, but across a single country. Maybe just plainly stating the specific procedure or component replacements instead of referring to nonstandardized concepts would let everyone get to the point instead of arguing terminology.

 

[dwrufus53]

My .02 on tunes and stages, coming from a 60's era motorhead: there is no such thing in the first place. The term "tune" is completely meaningless, and simply made up by the modding community over the last 20-30 years, borrowing from an actual tune up which was generally accepted as points/plugs/condenser with a timing and carb adjustment.

I've built and rebuilt more motors than I can remember, some stock (most not), and used thousands of factory and aftermarket parts to achieve my goal. None of these were ever referred to as "Stages" or "Levels" or any other such gobbledygook. If I threw in a Weiand tri-power and a 3/4 cam, that's what I said I did, not a "Stage 2.5 tune".

You can upgrade parts (intake, FI, exhaust, cams, etc.), and you can also remap the ECU in modern cars that have one. Either of those can be applied to the concept of "tuning" in the modern sense, but as we're seeing in this thread, there isn't a standard of what one means. Plus, If I upgrade intake & exhaust without any remapping, where does that place it?

"Commonly accepted" isn't even common. It means different things to different people in different regions, not only of the world, but across a single country. Maybe just plainly stating the specific
procedure or component replacements instead of referring to nonstandardized concepts would let everyone get to the point instead of arguing terminology.

Agreed.

In my experience on discussion forums, commonly accepted is a non-measurable, made up to support the posters position on the issue.

It's similar to the fact that 82.6%* of all statistics are made up to support that same poster's position on an issue.

* totally made up stat

 

[Quashish]

Stage 1 remap doesn't required a hardware installation. There is tons of companies doing that.
Remap stage 1
Normal mode = It will be like Sport mode
Eco mode = Normal mode
Sport mode = Same as normal

This post gave me the impression, whatever you were referring to as "stage 1" would literally change the function of the mode knob position.

You also state "remap doesn't required a hardware installation" which is incorrect. You still need some kind of go between from a laptop or flashing device, such as an sct or accessport. While not an invasive install still a required device.

Stage 1 is aftermarket flash tune - like a device and software suite that allows modification of software internal to the ECU to enhance performance by modifying a variety of parameters such as boost pressure, fueling, ignition timing, etc... and the monitoring of parameters.

Hmm so basically what I said way back in post #5

he means a flash tune. requires about $500 worth of electronic hardware. then whatever your tuner of choice charges for a base map and some revisions to get it dialed in.

All I am getting at is that the "Stage" definition can vary between vendors and what is being marketed in those stages. If there is an Industry Standard for these definitions, please point me in that direction.

Correct the "stage" terminology is a made up arbitrary descriptor that varies between companies, dealers, tuners, and enthusiasts.

There is no industry standard.

Not sure why this became such a complicated topic. Language barrier most likely.

 

[rugedraw]

If you go to a tune store and you want to increase the performance by software what you will ask for? There is no term or jargon that you can use?

I would say that I just want my vehicle tuned and no other mods. That simple, really. I would not walk in to a tune shop and say: Hey, can you stage one my truck please?

In the case of my BS, all it has is a tune and VTA mod and I did both as soon as we got it. However, on my F150, I already had an exhaust, CAI, VTA mod, and added electric fans to my intercooler from a Raptor BEFORE I tuned it. So when I called Livernois to get my tune, I told them I already have these mods so they get taken into account when they made the tune for my truck based on my mods, gear ratio and desired octane use.

So I skipped over what would be considered stage 1 and circled back to it later and ended up at stage 2 (I guess) based on the other mods I had already done.

I think (nowadays), when you hear or say "tune", it is generally accepted as re-mapping the PCM. Stage one can be tune and CAI for one vendor but just a tune for another. IMO: Just saying a tune or remap is very specific and stage 1 can be left open for interpritation. It's a classic case of semantics and no point in arguing over because there is no clear definition of what each stage consists of.

 

[hefler]

I would say that I just want my vehicle tuned and no other mods. That simple, really. I would not walk in to a tune shop and say: Hey, can you stage one my truck please?

as bizarre as it may seem, if you go to a tune shop in Brazil and say you want to do stage 1 they know what you are referring too; but obviously it is assumed that you will say which car you have and if they do.
a cultural thing we can say

 

[1996Ranger]

Permanent sport mode would get me in trouble. It is hard to believe how zippy the 2.0L is. That's after driving a 2.3L Ranger for 28 years and having to turn off the AC to get enough speed to merge onto the freeway, though.

 

[jkernitzki]

Permanent sport mode would get me in trouble. It is hard to believe how zippy the 2.0L is. That's after driving a 2.3L Ranger for 28 years and having to turn off the AC to get enough speed to merge onto the freeway, though.

I had a 4.0L V6 Ranger manual that by today’s standards would be considered gutless, but for its time (‘94) was a spirited motor and seen as an absolute unit. 0-60 in under 30 seconds!

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