From Malwarebytes: "US senators ask FTC to investigate car makers’ privacy practices"

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https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2024/07/us-senators-ask-ftc-to-investigate-car-makers-privacy-practices

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"In November 2023, a judge ruled it’s fine for car makers to intercept your text messages, because the practice doesn’t meet the threshold for an illegal privacy violation under state law."

"Another problem lies in the fact that data was found to be sold on to data brokers. These services can allow interested parties—from law enforcement agencies to marketing firms and even scammers—to access records that contain usernames, passwords (including in clear text), email addresses, IP addresses, and more."

"The senators also worry that some car makers may have gone as far as exclusively advertising “safe driving” programs as a way to lower their insurance bills, without revealing that some insurers might charge some drivers more based on their telematics data."

"The senators requested that: “The FTC should hold accountable the automakers, which shared their customers’ data with data brokers without obtaining informed consent, as well as the data brokers, which resold data that had not been obtained in a lawful manner. Given the high number of consumers impacted, and the outrageous manipulation of consumers using dark patterns, the FTC should also hold senior company officials responsible for their flagrant abuse of their customers’ privacy.”
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Thanks for sharing this. Increased awareness is definitely a good thing.
Yes it is...with all the attacks going on with the cybercriminals, our information must be protected.
 

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Saw that. Yes, good news. Me, being the eternal pessimist, sees the auto manufacturers seeing this as only a temporary setback. Like the Big Tech spy giants, these companies know that the younger generation is already desensitized to this so by and large it doesn't care. They'll be back to doing this snooping and selling before too long. In the meantime, I'm keeping fingers crossed responsible government will push back on this in a meaningful way. (Whom am I kidding? Government is as involved in the snooping and spying as Big Tech is and the auto manufacturers are.)
 
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Like the Big Tech spy giants, these companies know that the younger generation is already desensitized to this so by and large it doesn't care.
Absolutely correct.

My wife and I didn't realize it at the time, but one of several negative aspects of our BS BL buying experience was the salesperson insisting we activate FordPass. My initial thought was <Homer Simpson> "How can I lose?" I figured it was some benign app. Wrong.

After we got home I looked into FordPass and realized just how much data it Hoovers up. So I started a thread about it. Here's what I found:

https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos/fordpass/manage-my-fordpass-account/fordpass-terms-and-conditions/

"Information We Collect:"

"Vehicle Location: Non-precise or precise location/GPS information, including current vehicle location, travel direction, speed, charging locations used (if applicable), and information about the environment where the vehicle is operated (such as weather, road segment data, trail and road surface conditions and geometry, traffic signs, and other surroundings, may be collected from the vehicle in connection with location-based functions of FordPass. Vehicle Location may also be derived from IP address.
Driving Data (may also be referred to as Driving Characteristics and Behavior): Information about how the vehicle is operated and used (such as speed, use of accelerator, brakes, steering, seat belts, etc.)."

"Audio/Visual (may also be referred to as Connected Voice Data, Digital Assistant, or Ford Assistant): Voice commands and other utterances captured when the vehicle’s voice recognition system is in “active listen” state."

"...name, email address, photo, street address, telephone number, credit card, Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), and vehicle service records."


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It was clear from the responses that many BS owners fall into the category you mentioned -- 'already desensitized to this so by and large they don't care.'
 


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"Audio/Visual (may also be referred to as Connected Voice Data, Digital Assistant, or Ford Assistant): Voice commands and other utterances captured when the vehicle’s voice recognition system is in “active listen” state."
Don't forget about that nice little camera in the cabin. While I don't think it's there for nefarious purposes (it's part of the anti-driver fatigue programing), it doesn't mean that the information can't be hacked or sold for a profit.
 

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Don't forget about that nice little camera in the cabin. While I don't think it's there for nefarious purposes (it's part of the anti-driver fatigue programing), it doesn't mean that the information can't be hacked or sold for a profit.

If you're talking about this above the rearview mirror, it isn't a camera:


Ford Bronco Sport From Malwarebytes: "US senators ask FTC to investigate car makers’ privacy practices" 1723135019172-yz


It's a temperature/humidity sensor; details here.

Maybe the 2025 BS facelift adds BlueCruise (which does have a driver facing camera), but MY21-24 BS' do not have driver facing cameras, regardless of trim/options.
 

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If you're talking about this above the rearview mirror, it isn't a camera:


Ford Bronco Sport From Malwarebytes: "US senators ask FTC to investigate car makers’ privacy practices" 1723135019172-yz


It's a temperature/humidity sensor; details here.

Maybe the 2025 BS facelift adds BlueCruise (which does have a driver facing camera), but MY21-24 BS' do not have driver facing cameras, regardless of trim/options.
Many still don’t believe .. they “know” it’s a camera lol
 

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If you're talking about this above the rearview mirror, it isn't a camera:


Ford Bronco Sport From Malwarebytes: "US senators ask FTC to investigate car makers’ privacy practices" 1723135019172-yz


It's a temperature/humidity sensor; details here.

Maybe the 2025 BS facelift adds BlueCruise (which does have a driver facing camera), but MY21-24 BS' do not have driver facing cameras, regardless of trim/options.
Okay, I had to look this thing up in the MX Manual. Ford labels it as a "In-Vehicle Temperature and Humidity Sensor." Though it does reeeeeeeeally look like a camera, that's not what it is and/or is used for in the vehicle. :frown: Opps!

Sorry about that! While there ARE vehicle manufacturers out there using interior cameras for their fatigue monitoring systems, Ford uses the forward facing, exterior camera for this system (the same one used for the lane keeping system). If you're having a hard time keeping the vehicle in your lane, it pops up the alert.
 
 







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