Waiting room

[Rgill]

And how much more did you pay for that Jeep, or how many things did you forego to make it the same price? What sort of gas mileage are you going to live with for the next 5-10 years you drive it?

There are lifestyles that the Jeep really fits, but I don’t think there is a direct comparison between a Gladiator and a Bronco Sport. From memory the pentastar V6 is not known for reliability/longevity, not that Ford doesn’t have their problems too.

Let’s see

1. 11K more by choice (I never did an order based on price. The BS BL was same. I loaded it to as much as they sold for). Paying in cash for Jeep. Forgoing nothing. Never buy anything I cannot afford. I loaded the Jeep to the top also with about 17K in options and there was not one thing they said was not available. Got start stop, all safety systems, hard bash plates, 8.4 screen, etc etc. It was nice seeing a manufacturer that did not say no you can’t have that or you have to wait 7 months for that. 8 weeks and they built it with everything. Odd.

2. 17/22. Dont mind that. Have had a FJ Cruiser since 2011 with 17/20 so that is 11 years already for that. Can afford the gas. In fact we are trading in our good mpg car (BMW M inline 6 turbo) and keeping the FJ along with the Jeep.

All cars have their issues. We love them in spite of that.

3. Was not comparing the vehicles. Was comparing the experience between the two manufacturers and the service when ordering. I am a long standing supporter of the BS otherwise never would have ordered. Both are so unique it is hard to compare them to anything in my book. I love unique vehicles!!!!

Course now that we are getting the gladiator, the 7650 towing capacity and truck bed will be nice along with the ability to also take it off-road and top off when we boondock.

Course does not mean I will not return to Ford at some point, they just left a bad taste when trying to get my beloved BSBL.

Have to get over my PTFSS (post traumatic Ford Stress Sysndrome) first!

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[Meanderthal]

@Rgill

I think you covered my point, maybe better than I did. The Gladiator is not a comparable vehicle to the BS, even at the Badlands level. Just so you know, I did go to the Jeep website and look at what the cost was for something even in the ballpark of the BS. I concluded that you really can’t get much for your $40k in the Gladiator.

There are obviously other things that separate the Gladiator from the BS even if you got something that had comparable features. For one, it is larger and definitely has a stronger bias toward off-road. The BSBL is capable off-road but not on the same level as something like the Gladiator or Wrangler.

Congratulations on being able to get the vehicle you want without regard to price, although I’m sure that is still somewhat important just at a different level than most. You are also fortunate to not have to be concerned about the cost of fueling your vehicle. I would say that for me I am also pretty fortunate in that area but I’m also a cheapskate in a lot of ways. The difference between 20 mpg and 25 mpg can be felt but shouldn’t really be a decision maker for someone who buys a vehicle because they like it, instead of one who buys a vehicle because it is a commodity.

Like you, I also prefer unique vehicles. I also always personalize those vehicles to really make them “mine”. My list of unique vehicles is ‘98 Audi A4 Avant (stick and full leather), ‘03 MINI Cooper S, ‘09 VW Jetta Wagon, ‘12 VW Golf R, and hopefully sometime before winter ‘22 Bronco Sport Bandlands. I think we have that in common, to some extent.

 

[WildFord]

So, I got an email from my dealer saying it was ordered, but nothing from Ford yet. I have read several times that at least one guy got an email from Ford almost immediately. What is the general experience of others?

I never got anything directly from Ford. I called Ford and they said it is due to the dealer may not have my email linked to the order. Ford told me order is in but waiting to be scheduled. so maybe you are in the same situation.

I called Ford on Tuesday....and they said I'm not scheduled. I may want to call my dealer on next monday or Tuesday to see if there is any update. if not, that mid Jan ordered is not scheduled in May so it will not likely delivery in June or in July. that is 6 months + at this time. I have lost faith...I don't think the order will be scheduled for a long time based on all the talk of the options makes the delay (and I have all the options). soon it will be like someone who ordered last November and still don't have a build date.

 

[thekingprawn]

I have lost faith...

I'm starting to think Ford is offering/selling things they cannot deliver in a reasonable amount of time. Ford advertises all the options and features and makes nary a mention that to get those will take 6 months. They leave the dirty work to the dealers on that front, and they aren't great at honesty sometimes.

 

[KatieF34]

? watching to see who gets scheduled this week! Hope today is good news for many!

 

[thekingprawn]

I'll be by my dealership this morning for an appointment, so I may stop in and offer to slaughter a goat and read the entrails to try to discern something about what to expect.

 

[BravoAlpha]

Dude it hasn’t even been a month. Lower your expectations. I did

 

[thekingprawn]

Dude it hasn’t even been a month. Lower your expectations. I did

My expectations are low, but so is my understanding. The torture is from the ignorance, not the wait. Well, the wait, too, but mostly being in the dark about the process.

 

[BoxerBronco]

My expectations are low, but so is my understanding. The torture is from the ignorance, not the wait. Well, the wait, too, but mostly being in the dark about the process.

You will have your BS by Christmas...earlier if they can do it!

 

[thekingprawn]

You will have your BS by Christmas...earlier if they can do it!

I went in expecting by mid August I'd have it, then my salesman gave me false hope, now he has to deal with me dealing with false hope.

The main thing I want to learn today is where the region sits in the distribution mix and where the dealership sits within the region. I assume with constraints the way they are that "priority scheduling" and "incremental allocation" are useless concepts. They are building what limited amount they can for retail orders with constraints and filling up the production line with dealer stock orders of lower trims with less options. I assume (without solid data to back it up) that the zone managers/regional schedulers are really calling the ball on what gets built and when--barring constraints. The process is a little less opaque after a couple of weeks of digging around for information, but I still can't really tell where I'm at in it. Also, when I see dealer stock orders getting those very items that are constraining retail orders I'm curious as to why Ford (or the mindless system in place) selects to build lot lizards instead of sold units.

 

[WildFord]

well, I think some how the ordering process appeared to be "custom" orders....but it is far from that.

A "custom order", perhaps to many people, means when the manufacturer receive the request, they will find the parts that is necessary to build it and put it next in line for assembly.

The order here is that once they receive the request, based on options selected, they separate it in different "pools" of orders/planned production logistics (including retail and dealer stock...and whatever they normally produce), these different pool of cars may also separate by region?? perhaps it is due to shipping logistics (like they wont' ship ONE car to a dealer region that has no other shipment) or they try to distribute by some sort pre determined volume by % (doesn't matter if it is retail or stock order)......etc.

so, it is a "customer order" they will build and ship at their logistic convenient.

Their logistics system was not designed to be transparent which we are hoping for. like what parts is missing/shortage so we can chose what we can live without to move a build date up or down.....that, probably will need $$$$ spent on logistics software and reorganize the productions. of course, with the parts shortage, and parts doesn't show up as scheduled/contracted......it does not help the overall logistics....

so, it will just come.....when it comes.....

 

[thekingprawn]

Impatience, persistence, and annoyance, FTW. (Or plain dumb luck...)

Stopped by the dealer, he pulled up the order, VIN created, build week of 23 May.

 

[SpartyOn2007]

Impatience, persistence, and annoyance, FTW. (Or plain dumb luck...)

Stopped by the dealer, he pulled up the order, VIN created, build week of 23 May.

Must be nice. Lol. Ordered in December and is still in the queue.

 

[thekingprawn]

Must be nice. Lol. Ordered in December and is still in the queue.

Did you get all the packages? Those seem to be a continuing problem.

 

[Meanderthal]

Stopped by the dealer, he pulled up the order, VIN created, build week of 23 May.

It will be sad around here when you go!

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