Moaning back brakes

[Tamztrk]

Calling all of me gear-sleuths!
I am heading to the dealership who is dragging their feet admitting the problem….
I thought someone had posted the parts needed and I would love to have that to show the service manager. Even an email to him later would give me something (justification). I’m also taking an audio And thankfully it’s raining so my brakes should sound like a pod of tortured whales. No excuses for them and no disrespect to the whale (I scuba?)
thank you for your kindness and time,
tamra

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[PaulOinMA]

Here's one ...

TSB 22-2326 : "Moan Noise in the Rear Brakes When Driven in Reverse in Cold Weather or High Humidity" | 2021+ Ford Bronco Sport Forum - Broncosportforum.com

 

[PaulOinMA]

More discussion here ...

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[PaulOinMA]

(I scuba?) ...

Picked up "Shadow Divers" at a library book sale. Good read.

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[Dude]

Here's one ...

TSB 22-2326 : "Moan Noise in the Rear Brakes When Driven in Reverse in Cold Weather or High Humidity" | 2021+ Ford Bronco Sport Forum - Broncosportforum.com

FYI… TSB 22-2326 was superceded by TSB 23-2041 and TSB 23-2041 was superceded by TSB 23-2308.

TSB 23-2308 is the latest.

TSB 23-2308
Moan Noise In The Rear Brakes When Vehicle Is Driven In Reverse (R) In Cold Weather And/Or High Humidity, Supersedes 23-2041
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2023/MC-10244711-0001.pdf

Obsoleted: TSB 23-2041
Moan Noise In The Rear Brakes When Vehicle Is Driven In Reverse (R) On Cold Weather And/Or High Humidity, Supersedes 22-2326

Obsoleted: TSB 22-2326
Brakes: Updated caliper mounting hardware Brake reverse noise: Replace rear caliper bushings using a thicker slide pin bushing.
DG9Z-2C150-B: BOLT, Qty: 2
CV6Z-2C150-A Kit ??
remove and replace rear bushings in rear brake calibers per TSB 22-2326

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Calling all of me gear-sleuths!
I am heading to the dealership who is dragging their feet admitting the problem….
I thought someone had posted the parts needed and I would love to have that to show the service manager. Even an email to him later would give me something (justification). I’m also taking an audio And thankfully it’s raining so my brakes should sound like a pod of tortured whales. No excuses for them and no disrespect to the whale (I scuba?)
thank you for your kindness and time,
tamra

Hey there! Can you send over a message with your VIN and the name/location of the Ford dealer you are working with? I would like to see what I can do to assist with your noise concerns.

 

[RSH]

If it's a decent dealer service department they should be aware of the TSB or at least be able to look it up.
There is no guarantee that the dealer will have the TSB repair kit(s) on hand.
Also the dealer will not just perform the TSB on your say so, the issue has to be officially diagnosed which could mean leaving your vehicle.
Ford does not want to give out free parts and labor unless they have to.

 

[Bronco Blue]

FYI… TSB 22-2326 was superceded by TSB 23-2041 and TSB 23-2041 was superceded by TSB 23-2308.

TSB 23-2308 is the latest.

TSB 23-2308
Moan Noise In The Rear Brakes When Vehicle Is Driven In Reverse (R) In Cold Weather And/Or High Humidity, Supersedes 23-2041
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2023/MC-10244711-0001.pdf

Obsoleted: TSB 23-2041
Moan Noise In The Rear Brakes When Vehicle Is Driven In Reverse (R) On Cold Weather And/Or High Humidity, Supersedes 22-2326

Obsoleted: TSB 22-2326
Brakes: Updated caliper mounting hardware Brake reverse noise: Replace rear caliper bushings using a thicker slide pin bushing.
DG9Z-2C150-B: BOLT, Qty: 2
CV6Z-2C150-A Kit ??
remove and replace rear bushings in rear brake calibers per TSB 22-2326

So Ford still won’t swap out the cheap metal brakes for better quality ceramic brakes. I’ll tell my dad to do it to his Escape since it does it for him too, but if it doesn’t work, I’ll just pass since I’m looking at possibly offloading this thing for a Mazda.

Extremely disappointed in Ford and the quality of their products. For the price you pay, it should be built better. Never will I buy another one, that’s for sure.

 

[cprcubed]

So Ford still won’t swap out the cheap metal brakes for better quality ceramic brakes. I’ll tell my dad to do it to his Escape since it does it for him too, but if it doesn’t work, I’ll just pass since I’m looking at possibly offloading this thing for a Mazda.

The latest TSB does not replace the brake pads (they may not be the problem and there's no evidence to show that are). Make sure you go over to some Mazda forums to peruse their tales of woe before another purchase (they'll probably have similar complaints ... almost all vehicle forums do). FWIW, my 2022 Big Bend has never had the brake moan (so far) in almost 16k miles. Cheers!

 

[Bronco Blue]

The latest TSB does not replace the brake pads (they may not be the problem and there's no evidence to show that are). Make sure you go over to some Mazda forums to peruse their tales of woe before another purchase (they'll probably have similar complaints ... almost all vehicle forums do). FWIW, my 2022 Big Bend has never had the brake moan (so far) in almost 16k miles. Cheers!

I’ve owned a Mazda before and it was great. Traded it in on a Fusion with AWD because I needed AWD and that was great too which is why I went with Ford again and now got burned with this one.

Also the pads is what I heard are the problem on Reddit. They said once they swapped out the cheap metal ones for better quality ceramics, the noise was completely gone. I refuse to buy brakes for a new car when they’re not ready to be replaced. I feel that should fall under Ford Motor Company because they decided to use cheap parts for an almost $40,000 car. If they were severely worn, then it would be my responsibility, but I’ve had the brakes checked and they’re great since it’s only a year old and only 22,000 miles. I’ve had this problem since I’ve gotten it. It’s annoying and it’s embarrassing.

 

[Mark S.]

Also the pads is what I heard are the problem on Reddit.

I would take what you read on Reddit with a grain of salt. There are maybe one or two people over there who know what they're talking about, but the mods don't do a very good job of winnowing out the chaff from the wheat.

Ceramic pads are generally more expensive than pads made with other material, but that doesn't mean they are "better quality." Different pad materials are "better" for different applications. Ceramic pads are generally quieter and sometimes produce less dust and residue, but they don't absorb heat very well. All the kinetic energy of your car in motion is converted to heat by the brakes when you use them to decelerate, and that heat is transferred to other brake components when you use ceramic pads. If those components aren't designed to use ceramic pads the additional heat can result in premature wear. Further, ceramic pads do not generate the same amount of friction as other materials, so you may be giving up stopping performance by switching to them. Most of the cars you see on race tracks do not use ceramic brake pads.

 

[Bronco Blue]

I would take what you read on Reddit with a grain of salt. There are maybe one or two people over there who know what they're talking about, but the mods don't do a very good job of winnowing out the chaff from the wheat.

Ceramic pads are generally more expensive than pads made with other material, but that doesn't mean they are "better quality." Different pad materials are "better" for different applications. Ceramic pads are generally quieter and sometimes produce less dust and residue, but they don't absorb heat very well. All the kinetic energy of your car in motion is converted to heat by the brakes when you use them to decelerate, and that heat is transferred to other brake components when you use ceramic pads. If those components aren't designed to use ceramic pads the additional heat can result in premature wear. Further, ceramic pads do not generate the same amount of friction as other materials, so you may be giving up stopping performance by switching to them. Most of the cars you see on race tracks do not use ceramic brake pads.

Ok, but the issue still stands that Ford used cheap parts on an almost $40,000 car. That is fact. That is my biggest issue with this car. All my issues with my car all comes from cheap stuff that was used. Idk what happened to them from when they made the Fusion to how they are now with their current stuff, but this isn’t it.

My Fusion had a lot more quality and I only had 2 problems with it that were easily fixed. With this, it’s like every time there’s an issue, I take it in to get fixed and the issue still persists. When I took it in last time for water leaking through the seal around my rear brake light bar (which it’s back to leaking and when I opened the hatch yesterday, I could hear water dripping inside the plastic) and the passenger side door rattling with my speakers, I asked them since I just had the driver’s side door panel completely replaced for the same thing (which it’s also doing again even though it was replaced), I asked the service lady what was wrong with it? She says:

“Oh it’s just cheap plastics.”

I’m trying not to cuss on here and be respectful but I was poed hearing that because it made me question if I’m gonna have to keep getting these door panels replaced all the time because of that. Mind you, I leave my equalizer on stock. Everything is in the middle. I don’t have my volume up loud. I have it at 10 but if I drive with my windows down, I’ll push it up to 12 and that’s my max since I can’t hear my music well with the wind. I have the B&O sound system in it.

For a $40,000 car, it should have good quality materials and parts. That’s all I’m saying. I take VERY GOOD care of my cars. I get all the services done that it needs, I try to park far away from other people, and I try to make sure it’s washed and cleaned often. I don’t beat my cars. It just angering that I do all these things and it’s like I have these kinds of issues. I do have more issues with my car than just these ones, but as I’ve said, if Ford wants to message me about them, I’ll gladly tell them.

I’m sorry if it seems like I’m derailing the thread because I’m not trying to, I’m just trying to say that Ford used a lot of cheap stuff on an expensive car to the point that it doesn’t feel like 2022 car, it feels like a car from like 30 years ago and that’s sad to me. I went through a lot to get this car and it’s extremely let me down. I even talked highly of it for a while until I couldn’t anymore because I felt dumb for doing that with all the stuff I have wrong with it.

I don’t know. I’m not arguing with you or anyone else because it’s not your’s or anyone else’s fault that I have issues with my car except Ford Motor Company, I’m just trying to voice my frustrations is all, so I’m sorry if I come across as combative. I’m really not trying to.

 

[Tamztrk]

Picked up "Shadow Divers" at a library book sale. Good read.

Shadow Divers - Wikipedia

I think I gave that to my husband years ago in an attempt to make him a reader….
I will dig but I bet he got rid of it. You’ll have to tell me your fave dive places sometime ?

 

[Tamztrk]

FYI… TSB 22-2326 was superceded by TSB 23-2041 and TSB 23-2041 was superceded by TSB 23-2308.

TSB 23-2308 is the latest.

TSB 23-2308
Moan Noise In The Rear Brakes When Vehicle Is Driven In Reverse (R) In Cold Weather And/Or High Humidity, Supersedes 23-2041
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2023/MC-10244711-0001.pdf

Obsoleted: TSB 23-2041
Moan Noise In The Rear Brakes When Vehicle Is Driven In Reverse (R) On Cold Weather And/Or High Humidity, Supersedes 22-2326

Obsoleted: TSB 22-2326
Brakes: Updated caliper mounting hardware Brake reverse noise: Replace rear caliper bushings using a thicker slide pin bushing.
DG9Z-2C150-B: BOLT, Qty: 2
CV6Z-2C150-A Kit ??
remove and replace rear bushings in rear brake calibers per TSB 22-2326

Dude, thank you for the thoroughness, I also printed. It is so far over my head I’m embarrassed I am going to pick up my car with a binder of receipts- I hope someone there is smart enough ??

 

[Tamztrk]

Hey there! Can you send over a message with your VIN and the name/location of the Ford dealer you are working with? I would like to see what I can do to assist with your noise concerns.

Are these bogus?

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