So it happened😢…..

[Bucko]

Sorry, no disrespect intended, but this subject has been hashed and rehashed so many times it’s no longer hash. Between the PDF @Dude linked to and just this thread alone, you should be able to find the answers you’re looking. Let me know if after reading it still doesn’t make sense and I’ll try to help.

Yum...I like corn beef hash, especially for breakfast.

My 1000 post, and it goes to Mark S (and food).

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[Dude]

Thanks for the direct answer!

Since a drain tube will be reinstalled/in place along with the replacement fuel injectors, I am not reassured that the replacements won't also fail - but if the replacements fail, Ford will not replace them again at no cost.

I doubt you will ever get a direct answer to your real question that is 100% accurate over all time. Mark S and others have discussed that fuel injectors can fail (even replaced fuel injectors) and have explained the purpose of the drain tube and related PCM Programming.

The exact reason for the change from the A part to the E part fuel injector is not known to the general public at this time and that topic is discussed earlier.

as stated earlier you will need to find and talk to the Ford engineers responsible for the E part fuel injector and/or the manufacturer supplying the E part fuel injector.

 

[Sport Fan]

I doubt you will ever get a direct answer to your real question that is 100% accurate over all time. Mark S and others have discussed that fuel injectors can fail (even replaced fuel injectors) and have explained the purpose of the drain tube and related PCM Programming.

The exact reason for the change from the A part to the E part fuel injector is not known to the general public at this time and that topic is discussed earlier.

as stated earlier you will need to find and talk to the Ford engineers responsible for the E part fuel injector and/or the manufacturer supplying the E part fuel injector.

I understand the purpose of the drain tube and PCM Programming - I just had it completed on my Sport last week.

I would only be reassured that the replacement fuel injectors were a permanent fix, if Ford had the confidence that the replacements didn't warrant reinstalling the drain tube as a "fail-safe".

This discussion has been productive for me - I now know that I want to upgrade to a Sport with a 2.OL engine. I have my eye on a Heritage Limited.

 

[Dude]

I would only be reassured that the replacement fuel injectors were a permanent fix, if Ford had the confidence that the replacements didn't warrant reinstalling the drain tube as a "fail-safe".

Of course but that’s not the reason for the drain tube. As Mark S and others stated, any fuel injector can fail so someway to drain away fuel in case is needed is part of engine design.

On your other point, I agree we all want to know that the E part fuel injector is a great part and I tried hard to find out what the E part design accomplished.

just a natural curiosity on my part, I don’t own a 1.5L so I have no skin in the game.

You’ll love the 2.0L model when you get one. I have a ‘22 Badlands.

 

[Blue oval fan]

If you already had the drain tube installed it will stay in place. It just installs into an existing hole in the head. A tech can replace injectors without needing to even touch the drain tube. Consider the drain tube a permanent fixture.

 

[Sport Fan]

Of course but that’s not the reason for the drain tube. As Mark S and others stated, any fuel injector can fail so someway to drain away fuel in case is needed is part of engine design.

On your other point, I agree we all want to know that the E part fuel injector is a great part and I tried hard to find out what the E part design accomplished.

just a natural curiosity on my part, I don’t own a 1.5L so I have no skin in the game.

You’ll love the 2.0L model when you get one. I have a ‘22 Badlands.

Now I'm curious - does your Badlands have a drain tube as part of the engine design?

 

[Mark S.]

Now I'm curious - does your Badlands have a drain tube as part of the engine design?

If an engine designer is careful there won’t be any place for spilt fuel/fumes to collect near ignition sources. In that case, no drain tube is required. I still have not determined if engines built after the recall incorporate a drain tube. My guess is that Ford found another way besides a drain tube to prevent fuel/fumes collection that was feasible during engine production but would’ve required a great deal of disassembly on an already-built engine. Any time you introduce a maintenance procedure that requires a lot of disassembly you greatly increase the chance of reassembly errors. Since a drain tube accomplishes the same goal it makes sense to go that route with engines already in operation.

 

[Dude]

Now I'm curious - does your Badlands have a drain tube as part of the engine design?

I thought you might ask that and perhaps the 2.0L engine design does not allow fuel or fumes to collect near ignition sources … ask @Mark S to see if he knows that answer.
(The 2.0L discussion is off-topic for OPs post which is a 1.5L discussion)

 

[Mark S.]

I thought you might ask that and perhaps the 2.0L engine design does not allow fuel or fumes to collect near ignition sources … ask @Mark S to see if he knows that answer.
(The 2.0L discussion is off-topic for OPs post which is a 1.5L discussion)

We don't know anything for a fact, but we can make intelligent assumptions.

 

[Sport Fan]

I thought you might ask that and perhaps the 2.0L engine design does not allow fuel or fumes to collect near ignition sources … ask @Mark S to see if he knows that answer.
(The 2.0L discussion is off-topic for OPs post which is a 1.5L discussion)

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad and feel safer now that I was FINALLY able to have the drain tube installed as part of the Recall fix, but I'm not comfortable or assured if the drain tube is going to continue to be used to compensate for faulty parts/engine design.

 

[cprcubed]

continue to be used to compensate for faulty parts/engine design

It is not a "compensation" for either of those things! Any part on any vehicle can fail. A new injector, o-ring, hose can fail. You cannot design out failures! You can design in features to mitigate problems (such as fuel pooling/leaking onto possible ignition sources) should they occur. Cheers!

 

[Mark S.]

...if the drain tube is going to continue to be used to compensate for faulty parts/engine design.

Every recall is, by definition, compensation for a faulty part and/or design. Sometimes they entail replacement parts, and sometimes they entail design changes. The design change Ford developed for this recall is meant solely to prevent under-hood fires, and it must be confident in the plan else it will have to deal with lawsuits. Further, it has the NHTSA's blessing.

The recall may not be enough to assuage some, but that won't change the fact that hundreds of thousands of vehicles modified with this recall will operate safely for many years.

 

[Sport Fan]

PS - I traded up from my '21 OB to a '23 Robin's Egg Blue HLE. I'm enjoying the 2.0L engine - this pretty baby bird can soar!

 

[GulfCoastBronco]

I have not read all of this thread but I wanted search before making a new post. I’m about 2 pages in.
I also have an issue…I smell gasoline inside my cab regularly and it is getting more and more noticeable.
Currently I am on a road trip and had recall performed by a dealership about 200 miles from where I bought my vehicle. I explained to the tech that I smell gas and he explained to me to use my A/C differently than I have been. I found that very strange. He also said the recall he performed should allow me to be aware if there is a bigger issue. I explained again well it is smelling like gas right now. He claimed he couldn’t smell it and showed me how to identify the drain tube installed and said keep an eye on it. I’m just over 30k miles, now in Maryland but live in Texas. I just called a dealership here to schedule an appointment as I’m concerned if I get back to Texas beyond 36k miles. There is a very apparent smell of gasoline. However, I have complained about gas mileage on several threads usually about 22mpg and during my road trip have been averaging 28.5 mpg. So that seems to be a strange phenomenon. Hoping for the best.

 

[westcoaster818]

It sounds like the drain system worked as planned. You smelled the fuel ported overboard, but you got no fire. I'd say your case is a good testimonial for anyone wondering if the recall is worth the hassle to get it done.

Always get recalls done on your vehicle. For it to reach recall status its serious.

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