Recall : Even the new design can crack. Recall expanded.

[BSBB4Les]

I have a question that is not directly related to the injector issue but since the size of the 3cyl has been raised as one. It's a 1.5 liter, I've had 1.5 liter 4cyl motors. Visually, they look the same in size. Internally however, doesn't the 3cyl have a larger crank, larger pistons and rods than the 4cyl? Wouldn't that have a positive impact on its durability? I'm aware that it does have a different rotational speed than the 4cyl but is that significant? Am I off base for bringing this up in this post?

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[BSBB4Les]

The point I'm trying to make is that durability wouldn't be negatively affected, even with the turbo which is small and the injector issue is unrelated to and not a contributing factor in this motors durability? (Yes, I'm asking a question!)

 

[Bucko]

Nothing wrong with that approach. Probably always has worked well for you in the past.

And many owners (probably most owners) with the 1.5L do not have any issues or have been minor issues for them.

That would be me.

And I should note that I came up the ladder as an old school die hard "no replacement for displacement" attitude. As some will recall, I own a 67 Camaro SS, plenty of torque, lousy handling.

I got into the BS Outerbanks when the wife and I test drove it, and was impressed with its power. Then the sales person told me it is a 1.5 liter 3 cylinder turbo charged engine. I was amazed.

I have driven many small displacement turbo engine cars while I spent time in Europe back in the 80's and 90's. At that time they were light years ahead of the U.S. in small engine technology in automobiles. The U.S. has done a good job with catching up. This 1.5 eco boost is no exception. A good engine with plenty of "oomph" IMO.

 

[rocks]

The 4th year in a row that Ford leads in recalls. 21 so far this year. Where's the quality control dept?

 

[RushMan]

The 4th year in a row that Ford leads in recalls. 21 so far this year. Where's the quality control dept?

We're #1! We're #1!

Think of the alternative scenario: identified defects being totally ignored.
The problem with recalls "fixes," as I see it, is that the resolutions are not necessarily elimination of the defect but rather mitigation steps to minimize risk when the failure occurs.
Example: potential injector cracking on the 1.5L 3 cylinder engines adds a tray and drain tune.

 

[rocks]

We're #1! We're #1!

Think of the alternative scenario: identified defects being totally ignored.
The problem with recalls "fixes," as I see it, is that the resolutions are not necessarily elimination of the defect but rather mitigation steps to minimize risk when the failure occurs.
Example: potential injector cracking on the 1.5L 3 cylinder engines adds a tray and drain tune.

Rush, that is some big time spinning on being #1 in recalls 4 years in a row. That's an engineering and quality control problem.
Like someone posted...
The adding a tray and drain tune is a band-aid. A cheaper way to stop an injury or death vs installing better fuel injectors.

 

[RushMan]

Rush, that is some big time spinning on being #1 in recalls 4 years in a row. That's an engineering and quality control problem.
Like someone posted...
The adding a tray and drain tune is a band-aid. A cheaper way to stop an injury or death vs installing better fuel injectors.

We are in agreement that engineering and manufacturing errors are a serious quality control problem at Ford, and that many recalls only provide "band-aids."
Even though it's not the best of solutions, I'd prefer band-aids over ignoring a defect.
My "We're #1" was in jest of course. It's not something that Ford can be proud of.
Remember Ford's slogan that Quality is Job 1?

 

[rocks]

We are in agreement that engineering and manufacturing errors are a serious quality control problem at Ford, and that many recalls only provide "band-aids."
Even though it's not the best of solutions, I'd prefer band-aids over ignoring a defect.
My "We're #1" was in jest of course. It's not something that Ford can be proud of.
Remember Ford's slogan that Quality is Job 1?

Honda is about to have a 3M vehicle recall with braking issue.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60526893/nhtsa-honda-accord-cr-v-emergency-braking-investigation/

 

[RushMan]

Honda is about to have a 3M vehicle recall with braking issue.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60526893/nhtsa-honda-accord-cr-v-emergency-braking-investigation/

Honda has had their share of concerning problems and recalls. Oil dilution? No recall.
Mirrors that fall off. Defective seat belts, backup camera problems just to name a few.
Toyota has had a few. Just in the last day, doors that fly open on '23 and '24 Prius.

 

[cprcubed]

A cheaper way to stop an injury or death vs installing better fuel injectors

With what??? Do you have a line on injectors that absolutely will not crack or leak? As I keep mentioning ANY injector can crack or leak (all it takes is a bad/failed o-ring). Cheers!

 

[rocks]

With what??? Do you have a line on injectors that absolutely will not crack or leak? As I keep mentioning ANY injector can crack or leak (all it takes is a bad/failed o-ring). Cheers!

All auto manufacturers are not having injector issues. Maybe Ford should do some research on what injectors other auto manufacturers are using. If the same maker, maybe find out why Ford is having the problem that is causing the issue.

Add in Ford will only replace the injectors one time free. At least that is what I read here.

 

[Mark S.]

All auto manufacturers are not having injector issues.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCMN-21V961-2729.pdf

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1325463

http://www.vwproblems.com/atlas-fuel-injector-leak/

https://normantaylor.com/blog/gm-fuel-injector-wiring-harness-chafing-problems/

https://fortune.com/2019/03/05/audi-product-recall-volkswagen/

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2015/RCRIT-15V114-9386.pdf

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/05/hyundai-and-kia-issue-recalls-for-over-215000-vehicles-over-fuel-line-and-steering-issue/3

This took me about 2 minutes to find on Google. ALL manufacturers experience component failure, and some of those failed components involve fuel handling associated with a risk of fire.

It has been said many, many, many times here that this situation is not about fuel injectors, it's about preventing a fire in the event of a fuel system component failure. There is no such thing as a perfect fuel injector that never leaks, cracks, or otherwise fails. It'll never happen. The best we can hope for is to minimize the risk of fire when a fuel system component fails.

 

[Tigger]

@Mark S., I haven’t seen that many Links since I watched my friend play the Legend of Zelda!

 

[BLUEOVALRACER]

I didn't do my usual homework. I didn't investigate the BS before I bought it. I fell in love with retro design and just bought it. I would have preferred the 2.0L having had that engine in two Lincolns but wanted an OBX and I jumped. Ford is the only domestic badge I buy.

Ford is the only domestic badge you would buy.But the last couple pages all i see is you talking bad about them.Maybe you should buy another domestic badge and then go on those forums and do nothing but complain like you do on this one.

 

[BLUEOVALRACER]

I have a question that is not directly related to the injector issue but since the size of the 3cyl has been raised as one. It's a 1.5 liter, I've had 1.5 liter 4cyl motors. Visually, they look the same in size. Internally however, doesn't the 3cyl have a larger crank, larger pistons and rods than the 4cyl? Wouldn't that have a positive impact on its durability? I'm aware that it does have a different rotational speed than the 4cyl but is that significant? Am I off base for bringing this up in this post?

Each cylinder in the 3 cylinder would have to be more cubic inches than the same size 4 cylider for sure!! 3 cylinder would be 30.33333333333333 cubic inches per cylinder 4 cylinder would be 22.75 cubic inches per cylinder.

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