1st Oil Change on Badlands

[MJE]

That is Canada’s socialist medical health care system right ?
Everybody has mostly free or pre paid healthcare, but you pay as you spend money on anything. Our loaf of bread is $3, In Canada it will be $8, etc.

Largely yes. That & other taxes. Just as you see with inflation now sooner or later every increase in cost, taxes or otherwise, is borne by the end user to the extent that prices can be raised. So in addition to that, there’s also generally some higher distribution costs to distribute to a smaller population over a larger area. Again, those costs are passed on to the consumer to the extent possible.

Then of course you can always consider the difference in value between the dollars (how awesome it was when we were at par!) and the labor market affecting people’s wages & ability to pay for higher costs. And politics always plays into it.

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[sajohnson]

Ford and/or Motorcraft use the same boilerplate description for all of their gasoline engine oil filters. The text simply says 80% efficiency on particles 20 microns or larger. I've read more than a few posts on other forums about this subject, with one person claiming they asked Ford for clarification if this is the actual rating for their filters, or if this is the minimum acceptable design spec. No one to my knowledge has gotten a definitive answer. Since this is the listed spec for Ford's recommended oil filter, any filter meeting that spec should be suitable.

That's helpful, thanks.

You and I are in agreement. Now if we can convince enough other people we can start a "Motorcraft Users Forum."

I see on the page you linked to that the 910-S is backordered -- at least through Ford.

I have a theory as to why Ford will not give more info on their filters:

* Perhaps they know that 80% @ 20 microns is a spec that all of their filters easily meet. It's easier to just use that one spec.
* Consumers often fixate on numbers -- often without knowing what they even mean. For that reason, some mfrs are reluctant to publish many/any specs. For example, Bose does not publish the common audio industry specs.

The theory seems to be that if a mfr gets into a 'numbers war' they may lose sales. Of course in some cases they *deserve* to lose business -- because their product is inferior -- but in other cases it really is an unfair/irrelevant comparison.

As I said, I agree with you. In the absence of some compelling data showing that some other filter is clearly superior, I plan to buy a case of the 910-S.

What is equally or more likely is that a filter will meet or exceed the 80%/20 micron spec, but be *inferior* in one or more ways that may not be apparent -- low quality anti-drain back valve and/or pressure relief valve; gasket that welds itself to the engine rather that twisting off easily.

 

[GT1]

I am at 1,659 miles did oil change today:

Good post to follow when changing oil. All I would add is no need to jack up car and I used a cardboard box and board to hold up the Badlands cover plate so I could just slide it out of the way - easier to re-install.

Although it is for maverick, this report on 2L engine is probably applicable to Badlands Bronco Sport. I noted the same thing at 2500 mile change - oil a lot darker than I would have expected. Original post on this thread showing contamination suggests that at least for first oil change sooner is better than later. I have an early production 2021 Badlands which has been trouble free.
2022 Ford Maverick EcoBoost Oil Change Reveals Very Dirty Fluid: Video (fordauthority.com)
Video also shows rubberizing the fabric cover plate on the Maverick and why that cover is useful besides aerodynamics - of course Badlands is steel. Probably a good tip for all the fabric under panels.

 

[69cuda340s]

Original post on this thread showing contamination suggests that at least for first oil change sooner is better than later.

A lot of wear occurs on new engines resulting in debri in oil. Also new engines may have grime left in during engine assembly. A lot of ppl don't know/care, owners manual says this, the dealer says that, which is fine its their vehicle they get to decide.

Local engine shop around me offers engine dyno testing for engines they build. First thing they do get engine up to temp run it a little bit and change oil and filter. Why? To get the break in debri out of the engine.

 

[Major Kong]

"But, what about the steel particles that are smaller than 30 microns? That’s where the proponents of magnetic drain plugs get excited, because a magnet will snatch up any steel bits, regardless of size. And as it turns out, it’s the really small, like one- to 10-micron stuff, that’s the most destructive"

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/do-magnetic-drain-plugs-work

Review of filter threads
particle sizes <20 microns
curious if anyone has had experience regarding magnetic plugs

 

[Meanderthal]

"But, what about the steel particles that are smaller than 30 microns? That’s where the proponents of magnetic drain plugs get excited, because a magnet will snatch up any steel bits, regardless of size. And as it turns out, it’s the really small, like one- to 10-micron stuff, that’s the most destructive"

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/do-magnetic-drain-plugs-work

Review of filter threads
particle sizes <20 microns
curious if anyone has had experience regarding magnetic plugs

A magnetic drain plug is one of those things that just has no downside that I can see. There are probably arguments that it doesn’t add anything, not that I know what those arguments would be. I just can’t think of a reason why it would be a bad idea to have a magnetic drain plug.

 

[Major Kong]

A magnetic drain plug is one of those things that just has no downside that I can see. There are probably arguments that it doesn’t add anything, not that I know what those arguments would be. I just can’t think of a reason why it would be a bad idea to have a magnetic drain plug.

which leads to the question
why hasn't something like this been a popular device all along?
you'd think a high end filter manufacturer would have done this
where's the harm in removal of sub pore sized particulates

 

[sajohnson]

which leads to the question
why hasn't something like this been a popular device all along?
you'd think a high end filter manufacturer would have done this
where's the harm in removal of sub pore sized particulates

Good question.

It's very common for differential drain plugs to be magnetic. In fact I just removed one the other day -- 25 years old and still very magnetized.

Just a guess -- one factor might be that there is nothing but steel in a diff, whereas there is a lower percentage of steel in modern engines. The block and head(s) are usually aluminum, as are the pistons. Bearings are made of softer metals. So perhaps the thinking is that there should not be much steel for a magnetic oil drain plug to catch?

 

[Meanderthal]

Good question.

It's very common for differential drain plugs to be magnetic. In fact I just removed one the other day -- 25 years old and still very magnetized.

Just a guess -- one factor might be that there is nothing but steel in a diff, whereas there is a lower percentage of steel in modern engines. The block and head(s) are usually aluminum, as are the pistons. Bearings are made of softer metals. So perhaps the thinking is that there should not be much steel for a magnetic oil drain plug to catch?

Block is aluminum but the cylinders are sleeved with steel. Bearings (piston and crank) are bronze (I think) but have a coating that I‘ve never dug into to find out what it is. You are correct though that there is a wider variety of materials in an engine than there is in a transmission or differential. Still, there are lots of steel parts, the primary steel wear points are probably the cam.

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