Leaks and leaks

[ImdaJesus]

Did you have the dealership change the oil the last time? Unless you crawl under and check after they work on it, that still remains my guess.

Yes I had the dealer do it last time. And with my luck on water pumps I'm pretty active at checking stuff since I'm on my 3rd pump.

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[ImdaJesus]

The hole appears to be cast so I suspect it is an engineered weep hole. I also expect the dealership will tell you that is an acceptable amount of seepage and it's coming from the weep hole as designed. I suspect they'll say the same about the shaft, normal seepage. Dealerships seem to ascribe to the "if it's not dripping, it's not leaking" theory.

Please let us know what the dealership says.

JMHO
No expertise implied or expressed.

Dealer just called were able to expedite it for me. "It's seeping not leaking and that the warranty wouldn't be approved until it does". In short terms

 

[ImdaJesus]

Please update back with what they find! I'm willing to accept a little engine sweat, but if it's a known issue I'll have my dealer investigate as well.

Dealer expedited it for me told me seeping is expected at 43k but it's not leaking leaking where a warranty would be approved for repair

 

[Bronco II]

Never saw leaks but I'm sure there were plenty the problem we had was the infortainment system with the radio coming on every time you started the car or the screen being black. And all we could get was "We don't know". Now the BS is gone Wifes driving a 2024 Honda Passpart now.

 

[hellb0y]

Why are you changing out the trans fluid? Are you at 150k miles yet?

be mindful, this is for normal driving !!! Anyone dealing with traffic on their daily commute is not doing “normal driving” and should adopt the severe schedule maintenance…

 

[Dude]

be mindful, this is for normal driving !!! Anyone dealing with traffic on their daily commute is not doing “normal driving” and should adopt the severe schedule maintenance…

Unless … unless you are still under factory warranty and have the Ford ESP warranty… what is the point of not following Fords maintenance schedule? The 150k schedule for normal driving.

 

[Mark S.]

be mindful, this is for normal driving !!! Anyone dealing with traffic on their daily commute is not doing “normal driving” and should adopt the severe schedule maintenance…

I disagree. "Severe duty" is pretty clearly defined in your user manual, and it doesn't include simply driving in traffic. It's mostly about extended periods of idling such as would be experienced by taxi cabs, delivery vehicles, and law enforcement--think idling for hours at a time every day.

If your daily commute requires you to sit in traffic not moving for several hours a day, then you should follow the severe duty schedule. Otherwise, just follow the "Normal" schedule.

 

[Gnomad]

No I'm at 43k I've gone on 3 overlanding trips already and wanted to have it serviced for that reason. Also I wanted to have it done before the warranty was up incase there is a issue they find in the fluid.

At the rate we are seeing failures, owners will be changing fluids at 150K along with their transmission-if they make it that far. You're smart to get it done. Oil is cheaper than metal.

 

[Mark S.]

At the rate we are seeing failures

What is the failure rate? Do you have evidence any of the reported failures were due to unserviceable transmission fluid?

 

[Gnomad]

Dude you are a trip. Seems Ford is willing to use unwary BS owners as a control group to test service intervals and durability. BS owners, proceed accordingly.

 

[ImdaJesus]

At the rate we are seeing failures, owners will be changing fluids at 150K along with their transmission-if they make it that far. You're smart to get it done. Oil is cheaper than metal.

I don't believe the 150k fluid change for the trans anyways. But I'm more worries about after the warranty is done. I plan on waiting till I'm 1000 miles from warranty to trade it in. If I can't trust this thing to not blow water pumps and start leaking in 2 other area. What is going to be wrong with the vehicle at 80k

 

[Mark S.]

Seems Ford is willing to use unwary BS owners as a control group to test service intervals and durability. BS owners, proceed accordingly.

Ford conducts extensive testing to gather data on which to set service intervals.

• This link lists all the different proving grounds Ford maintains around the world specifically for vehicle testing.
• This link details some of the environmental extremes Ford tests their cars for.
• This link is a detailed description of Ford's proving ground in Romeo, MI by an independent source.

Excerpt from the second article (note the highlighted section):

Australia

Ford’s You Yangs Proving Ground (YYPG) in the kangaroo-filled paddocks outside Melbourne, Australia is the oldest of Ford’s testing facilities in Asia Pacific, and is also home to some of the most demanding tests conducted anywhere in the industry. Given the rapid changes now underway in the global auto business, Ford’s 950-hectare facility is currently undergoing an upgrade, allowing the company to test a greater range of products and driver assist technologies.

One of the many tests that prototype and pre-production vehicles will undergo at the proving ground is the Total Durability Cycle. This sped-up evaluation runs around the clock, day and night, to simulate 10 years, or 240,000km, of severe customer usage in just a few weeks. Gravel roads, cobblestones, pot-holes, curbs and water baths feature in this grueling test. Just for good measure, environmental factors like dust, water and mud are thrown in, while dynamometers simulate towing heavy loads in traffic and over mountain passes.

“The reason we go to such extreme lengths of testing is to ensure our customers are buying the best possible vehicle,” said Stephen Andrews, Corrosion Supervisor at Ford’s testing facility in Australia.

“These tests push the vehicle much further than your typical consumer would, so we can be confident in the fact they will perform when out in the real world – and if we find anything untoward during testing stages, we have the opportunity to rectify it,” added Andrews.

Do you think Ford pays to maintain these facilities all around the world just so unwary owners will believe made up stories about vehicle testing?

Clearly, no amount of reasoning or evidence I present will change your mind, but that doesn't mean we couldn't settle our disagreement with relative ease: If you have sources with data/evidence that your recommendations regarding fluid replacement are more appropriate than Ford's I would be happy to read them and update my opinion.

One thing we DO agree on: Owners should proceed carefully, especially when it comes to the data sources on which they base their decisions.

 

[ImdaJesus]

Ford conducts extensive testing to gather data on which to set service intervals.

• This link lists all the different proving grounds Ford maintains around the world specifically for vehicle testing.
• This link details some of the environmental extremes Ford tests their cars for.
• This link is a detailed description of Ford's proving ground in Romeo, MI by an independent source.

Excerpt from the second article (note the highlighted section):


Do you think Ford pays to maintain these facilities all around the world just so unwary owners will believe made up stories about vehicle testing?

Clearly, no amount of reasoning or evidence I present will change your mind, but that doesn't mean we couldn't setting our disagreement with relative ease: If you have sources with data/evidence that your recommendations regarding fluid replacement are more appropriate than Ford's I would be happy to read them and update my opinion.

One thing we DO agree on: Owners should proceed carefully, especially when it comes to the data sources on which they base their decisions.

I will say in regards to Fords private testing. Not trying to knock them or any company who do the tests. But specific tests vehicles where they are nitpicked throughout its building process are different from everything rolling out of the assembly line as fast as possible to get to the consumer as fast as possible. Where things happen on the line, suppliers screw something up that make the vehicle faulty. And I will say I WILL go through those links just to read them.

 

[Mark S.]

I will say in regards to Fords private testing. Not trying to knock them or any company who do the tests. But specific tests vehicles where they are nitpicked throughout its building process are different from everything rolling out of the assembly line as fast as possible to get to the consumer as fast as possible. Where things happen on the line, suppliers screw something up that make the vehicle faulty. And I will say I WILL go through those links just to read them.

I agree with this, but changing fluids more frequently will not fix a production error.

 

[ImdaJesus]

I agree with this, but changing fluids more frequently will not fix a production error.

True it won't. But I personally do not agree with such a high mileage count for the fluid change in general. There are many logical reason on why to change it sooner than 150k in general. Especially if the vehicle is lift or heavier tires. Which people do just for aesthetic as well.

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