This surprised me today.

[daShadow]

I was browsing through the local Ford dealers used cars online and found this. A 2021 Bronco Sport Big Bend, nice looking and only 19k miles. The dealer is asking $31444, and it showed the original sticker with a price of $31470. So it seems they are asking $26 under the original sticker price for a 3 year old used BS. And the dealer has 6 new 2024 Big Bends on the lot for only about $1000 more. It is the only used BS they have in stock and it is listed as a "Special Offer". Do they really think they will get that price?

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[Dude]

They won’t know unless they try

 

[CletusVanDam]

When I bought mine new about a year ago that's how all the used Sports were priced. Right around new sticker price for used vehicles with as many as 30k miles.

Apparently people were paying those prices in order to get one "today," because they didn't have many new ones on lots that weren't already spoken for.

 

[daShadow]

This dealer has 10 BS of various trims for sale on the lot right now, oh well, not my problem. ...

 

[OuterBanks25]

That seems pretty high considering our one year old 2023 Outer Banks was $38K and some change new but has depreciated to around $29K according to KBB. It only has 9100 miles on it and has the upgraded technology package with the B&O audio, universal garage door opener, wireless charging pad and HD radio. I wouldn't be surprised to see yours at the dealer sit because there's not a lot of demand for Bronco Sports anymore. Our dealer can't move them, especially the Heritage Edition trims. They have like five of them that have been sitting for a while. They're not as hot as the Maverick.

 

[BLUEOVALRACER]

That seems pretty high considering our one year old 2023 Outer Banks was $38K and some change new but has depreciated to around $29K according to KBB. It only has 9100 miles on it and has the upgraded technology package with the B&O audio, universal garage door opener, wireless charging pad and HD radio. I wouldn't be surprised to see yours at the dealer sit because there's not a lot of demand for Bronco Sports anymore. Our dealer can't move them, especially the Heritage Edition trims. They have like five of them that have been sitting for a while. They're not as hot as the Maverick.

Speaking of the B&O Audio System How Does It Sound?

 

[JAD67428]

I was browsing through the local Ford dealers used cars online and found this. A 2021 Bronco Sport Big Bend, nice looking and only 19k miles. The dealer is asking $31444, and it showed the original sticker with a price of $31470. So it seems they are asking $26 under the original sticker price for a 3 year old used BS. And the dealer has 6 new 2024 Big Bends on the lot for only about $1000 more. It is the only used BS they have in stock and it is listed as a "Special Offer". Do they really think they will get that price?

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My Dad use to say “there’s an Ass for every seat” !!!

 

[JAD67428]

Speaking of the B&O Audio System How Does It Sound?

To me, it doesn’t sound that much greater than a stock system. I had a 21 BigBend with regular system an now have a 23 OBX with the B & O system.

 

[Dantanman]

I was browsing through the local Ford dealers used cars online and found this. A 2021 Bronco Sport Big Bend, nice looking and only 19k miles. The dealer is asking $31444, and it showed the original sticker with a price of $31470. So it seems they are asking $26 under the original sticker price for a 3 year old used BS. And the dealer has 6 new 2024 Big Bends on the lot for only about $1000 more. It is the only used BS they have in stock and it is listed as a "Special Offer". Do they really think they will get that price?

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Many dealers haven't adjusted since covid pricing. They overpaid for trades when there was no new inventory available. Rebates on new 2023 models now. They will take some big hits soon.

 

[SoCal]

that is insane considering you can still get brand new 2023's with $6500 off sticker here in SoCal which can get you into a brand new Badlands one for about $34K or a Big Bend for $26.5k

https://shop.ford.com/inventory/broncosport/results?zipcode=92592&Radius=100&year=2023&Order=LowPrice&intcmp=show-si

 

[OuterBanks25]

Speaking of the B&O Audio System How Does It Sound?

Pretty good. For whatever reason, people like to bash it but I don't think it sounds bad at all. Maybe it's because I'm not as privileged and don't get to listen to different premium audio systems but I think it's fantastic, especially in my Maverick. Plenty of base and good clarity.

 

[sajohnson]

Pretty good. For whatever reason, people like to bash it but I don't think it sounds bad at all. Maybe it's because I'm not as privileged and don't get to listen to different premium audio systems but I think it's fantastic, especially in my Maverick. Plenty of base and good clarity.

As a recovering 'audio guy', I recall that there were a few brands that people loved to hate on -- one was/is Bose, and another was B & O.

Both companies make good equipment, as do most other name brand mfrs. Audio quality can be incredibly subjective. The bottom line is, does it sound good to you?

It's easy to get pulled into the audiophile trap, where -- like a junkie chasing a high -- the person is constantly looking for audio perfection. There's a LOT of expensive snake oil out there, sold by people who take advantage of audiophiles. The crazy-expensive esoteric gear may not sound any better in "double-blind" A/B/X testing, but the marketing language is enough to get the true believers to think that it sounds better. And if they think it does, then, well, it does (to them).

Even the best systems can sound terrible if they are EQ'd poorly. IDK what sort of EQ the B & O system has, but the more bands and the greater the boost/cut range (usually +/- 12 to 15 db) the better. The typical 'bass/treble' controls are very limited.

Of course, what sounds good to you may not sound very good to someone else. Ideally there will be 2 or more EQ presets, because resetting a multi-band EQ would be a PITA.

Also, where a person is sitting makes a difference.

Finally, except when parked, audio quality in a car is limited by road and wind noise. So even the best system in the world will be crippled.

 

[Dude]

Just looking at the pics owners posted of the factory B&O Speakers (especially when compared to aftermarket replacements) and the various owners that have stated the clips and other items on the door panels rattle, buzz and shake makes one feel like we were not provided what most of us “expect” in a B&O System.

That being said, I researched setting up the audio controls and have my factory B&O System sounding very good to me and those who ride with me. We play music fairly loud too from a mix of SiriusXM (which is not high quality audio) and Apple Music. I haven’t experienced the door panel issues others reported.

And my hearing does have a few notches and drop outs .. I’ve had hearing tests done with printouts provided across the human frequency range so I know where my hearing has deficiencies.

Given all that, I am satisfied with the factory B&O System.

 

[sajohnson]

Just looking at the pics owners posted of the factory B&O Speakers (especially when compared to aftermarket replacements) and the clips and other items on the door panels that rattle, buzz and shake makes one feel like we were not provided what most of us “expect” in a B&O System.

That being said, I researched setting up the audio controls and have my factory B&O System sounding very good to me and those who ride with me. We play music fairly loud too from a mix of SiriusXM (which is not high quality audio) and Apple Music.

And my hearing does have a few notches and drop outs .. I’ve had hearing tests done with printouts provided across the human frequency range so I know where my hearing has deficiencies.

Given all that, I am satisfied with the factory B&O System.

I should add that most mfrs make a range of products. For example, while I haven't checked recently, JBL has/had at least 2 lines of speakers -- pro/commercial grade, and consumer. I'm not sure about B&O.

Those notches in your hearing are exactly what I was referring to above. Even "perfect" hearing is not flat. Humans are more sensitive to midrange frequencies, which is why you'll often see a "smiley face" on a graphic EQ:

Almost everyone has some peaks and dips in sensitivity as well, and then there is the freq response of the speakers, as well as the acoustics of the room/vehicle. So the curve will rarely end up looking like the one above. Typically something uneven, like this:

Your passengers are lying to you.

J/K -- it may really sound good to them as well. It's not like most people have wildly different hearing. Often though, if you have 2 or more different people EQ a system, they will come up with at least slightly (if not significantly) different settings.

As I said above, the fact that you are satisfied with the B&O system is all that matters.

 

[Mark S.]

As a recovering 'audio guy', I recall that there were a few brands that people loved to hate on -- one was/is Bose, and another was B & O.

I think the biggest complaints about these two companies from purported audiophiles is price. Both Bose and B&O charge a great deal of money for their names, and you can get the same or better quality sound for much less money.

But you're right about one thing: perception is a funny thing. If one THINKS a speaker sounds better then it doesn't really matter whether "experts" agree with you or not. If I spend twice as much on a set of speakers then I probably need to think they sound twice as good.

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