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With EV's being 7 times more impactful to the environment to construct than an ICE vehicle
‘to construct’ are the key words

I also like hydrogen as an energy source especially generated by sunlight and seawater. But I don’t know enough about the downsides of using hydrogen in a vehicle.

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I would consider hybrid, some of the new ones are very nice. EV? No. From what I read, horribly unreliable chargers (if you could find one) and the most problematic issue of "people will people" by being complete D-bags in how they selfishly use chargers.
 

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Paraphrasing a quote from the article “(people want) more money, through cheap and lazy methods”… Yep there are many like that.

This is what ChatGPT has to say about the viability of a water powered car:

“A water-powered car, in the sense of using water directly as fuel, is not viable with current technology and understanding of chemistry. Here's why:

### 1. **Energy Extraction**: Water is a stable compound (H₂O) and does not contain easily accessible energy. To extract energy from water, you'd need to break the bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, which requires more energy than you can gain from the resulting hydrogen fuel. This process is known as electrolysis, and it's energy-intensive.

### 2. **Energy Laws**: The concept of a water-powered car often involves the idea of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen, burning the hydrogen for power, and then recombining it into water. However, this violates the first and second laws of thermodynamics because the energy required to split water is greater than the energy you can extract from burning hydrogen.

### 3. **Hydrogen as Fuel**: While cars can be powered by hydrogen fuel cells, hydrogen is not directly extracted from water onboard the car. Instead, hydrogen must be produced separately (often using fossil fuels or electricity) and then stored and used as fuel. This process, while feasible, is different from the idea of a car running directly on water.

### 4. **Efficiency and Practicality**: Even if a method to use water as a fuel were discovered, the efficiency losses in converting water to usable energy would likely make it impractical compared to existing energy sources like gasoline, electricity, or hydrogen.

### Conclusion:
The concept of a water-powered car as popularly imagined is not viable due to fundamental energy constraints. However, hydrogen-powered cars are a related technology, though they rely on hydrogen produced from other processes, not directly from water onboard the vehicle.”
 


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Carrington event
steady reduction of magnetosphere
getting ready for the big flippitty floppy

Does this mean the world ends when EV's take over?
 


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The problem is that manufacturers were gunning for everyone to switch to electric without realizing that a significant portion of the population doesn't have a way to plug in their vehicle at home.

It's actually rather disappointing that auto manufacturers just didn't feel like diving into providing solutions for this. I **would** be casually interested in an EV, but because I have no way to plug in without going out of my way, I didn't even remotely consider one when I recently was looking for a new vehicle.

Yes, public charge stations exist like how gas stations exist...but sitting around waiting a while for your car to charge in an inconvenient location absolutely pales in comparison to taking 2 minutes to fill up at the pump.
I have to agree that home charging infrastructure is certainly a barrier to adoption. I can see it in rental apartments for sure, though it seems new higher end condo builds are starting to have EV chargers in them.

But even single family homes with garages like mine aren’t setup with charging infrastructure. As a 1970s home with a detached garage, there’s a glorified lamp cord run underground to power a bare light bulb, a single outlet, & luckily enough, a door opener. A friend of mine had his rewired with >$10k cost. With my worse off wiring & yard digging needed it might be closer to double that. A not insignificant amount to add on to the cost of a vehicle.

At some point the house will need to have that investment & more dumped into it, just not today. Ultimately though until the public infrastructure is also there for road trips, because I have only one car, I also am not considering an EV.
 

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Yes, public charge stations exist like how gas stations exist...but sitting around waiting a while for your car to charge in an inconvenient location absolutely pales in comparison to taking 2 minutes to fill up at the pump.
Further, these charge stations are nowhere near as ubiquitous as gas stations. I would hazard a guess that the overwhelming majority of drivers do not have to detour driving to & from work to get to a gas station.

A part of the problem with increasing the number of charging stations is getting their construction approved by the government. Gas stations popped up all over the country organically, in response to the growing demand as automobiles became popular. There was far less government red tape in the past when it came to buying property and setting up a business on it. And a gas station is pretty much self contained--you don't need to anything to neighboring properties to set one up. You dig a few holes and bury the tanks. With a charging station you need to run heavy-duty cable from the nearest high-output source, and there may be other people's property in between.
 

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So what is required exactly for a charging station at your house? I currently have a 40 AMP 3 prong outlet I used to connect my class C RV into when it was parked at the house to prepare for a camping trip; I could plug the RV into it and run the A/C, fridge, and everything else in the camper as if I was at an RV campsite.

I no longer have this camper, but could that 40 amp circuit be used for a charging station arrangement should the prices drastically change and make it possible for me to buy an EV?
 

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So what is required exactly for a charging station at your house? I currently have a 40 AMP 3 prong outlet I used to connect my class C RV into when it was parked at the house to prepare for a camping trip; I could plug the RV into it and run the A/C, fridge, and everything else in the camper as if I was at an RV campsite.

I no longer have this camper, but could that 40 amp circuit be used for a charging station arrangement should the prices drastically change and make it possible for me to buy an EV?
https://electricvehicles.bchydro.com/charge/choosing-a-home-EV-charger
I’m told that your standard 120V house outlet is enough. I guess in theory. Otherwise it sounds like the circuit needs 240V for a decent home charger setup.
 

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So what is required exactly for a charging station at your house? I currently have a 40 AMP 3 prong outlet I used to connect my class C RV into when it was parked at the house to prepare for a camping trip; I could plug the RV into it and run the A/C, fridge, and everything else in the camper as if I was at an RV campsite.

I no longer have this camper, but could that 40 amp circuit be used for a charging station arrangement should the prices drastically change and make it possible for me to buy an EV?
Consult an electrician for an estimate which usually will be a free estimate.

don’t know what EV you might consider but here is some basic info - your electrician will give you the facts:


“you should only charge at 32a on a 40a circuit, which should be approximately 7kW; it will be slow but nothing terrible if you generally charge overnight.

There's an 80% rule for continuous loads, so you should set your wall connector (if possible) to 32a to be safe and adhere to National Electric Code (NEC). Your circuit should also be GFCI protected according to code though many EVSE's are GFCI protected internally.

A 50a circuit would allow you to charge at 40a, approximately 9kW and a 60a circuit with hardwired (NEC requirement) 48a would do up to 11kW which is the maximum Level 2 AC charge rate many EV's can accept.”
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