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Hi all — I recently purchased and applied a “91 daily” tune from 5Star Tuning on my 2022 Bronco Sport Badlands. I have just under 12K miles on it, and this vehicle is otherwise stock from a tuning perspective.

The programming was done with my SCT X4 that I originally bought for my 2016 F150 3.5 EB (I do something else for tuning there so not “married” to it any longer). Anyhow, I have not used it for tuning since then, and the handheld update took nearly 6H to complete (seems like a bottleneck on their end)! It did work, however — but there was some real doubt along the way! Something to note/prep if you go this route…

So, I was curious if anyone else has used 5Star Tuning on the 2.0 EB motor here for the Badlands. I saw old references to third-parties, but nothing current by a member. I’m particularly interested in data logging results with short and long-term fuel trim results (and related AFR), boost levels, and indicators of performance with the stock intercooler and turbo. Instrumented testing results would be nice too.

Since I was not able to find much on our current Bronco Sport Badlands platform, I was looking at some results from the Ford Focus 2.0 EB. I don’t know how similar these engines are, but at a high level they seem very similar (unclear on software differences). That is backed up by the fact that the guys at 5Star Tuning feel the same way about it (and betting they borrow heavily from that knowledge base).

Anyone else running these maps here? I also bought an “87 octane daily” map to go with my “91 octane daily” map, and it is pretty much their off-the-shelf tune with the exception of my request to deactivate traction control by default. I think they did it, but it does not toggle the dash “lamp” indicator as you might expect. I have asked Support about that and waiting to hear back…

I live in AZ in a mountain ranch environment and find myself deactivating traction control every time I start up. I’d also like to change GOAT modes by default, but that doesn’t seem possible quite yet (I could not find it in FORSCAN) and the 5Star guys don’t know either. Apparently Adam (on their team) has a Bronco of some kind and was also interested in doing that but has not found success yet.

My initial test drive with logging was interesting. It seems faster, but I didn’t record before/after results. I can hear more compressor bypass sounds now, that’s for sure. I only did a few pulls and saw 19 PSI before it became heat soaked. When warm, seems like it would pull about 15 PSI. What boost values are you seeing in stock trim? I see “1” for my current short and longterm fuel trim results, and I’m happy with that. I didn’t hear any pre-ignition and understand the factory strategy for knock detection remains in place.

If you have experiences here, I’d like to hear from you. Thanks!

Note: I’m just under 5K feet in terms of elevation, and ambient was about 75F during my test (~16% relative humidity)
*I have a PCV oil catch can on my 3.5EB F150 (model specific application) and would consider one here, but that is specifically called out as needing a revised tune and that surprises me. That might be a clue on differences with this implementation.
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A couple more thoughts while I wait to hear back from 5Star support...

I did some homework back in 2016 when I ordered my F150 FX4 3.5EB. I actually received the SCT X4 programmer before I took delivery of my truck (that took about six months).

5Star already had a good reputation and was well-received by the F150 community. That market segment is very well supported for obvious reasons, but we seem to profit by a little trickle down (both from being a Ford and using a well established powertrain in the form of the 2.O EB).

When it came time to pick an ECU tune for the BS, I did a bit of research and found very little development. I am not keen to remove and send the ECU(!) to someone I don't know, and I don't particularly like the idea of a piggyback system (but I have seen some okay results posted). So that brought me back to 5Star...

I should note that another selling point was being able to re-use my existing SCT X4 programmer. Of course, it can only be used on one vehicle at a time. My F150 has since been custom tuned (has aftermarket Garrett turbos, Garrett FMIC, exhaust, etc.) and I no longer needed it. I like that you can also use the device on any OBD-2 vehicle to read DTCs and such.

If you only want a single "daily" tune, it is priced quite reasonably for $165. It is only $10 more for additional maps, and they offer a military discount. They are also good to work with on the phone or by email.

Their site is lagging a bit in terms of having dyno results, and generally lacks the same polish as the rest of the model offerings, but I'm guessing that will come. Anyhow, here's a handy link in case you want to check them out:

https://5startuning.com/product-category/2021-bronco-sport-2-0l-ecoboost/
 
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Did you consider the Cobb tune? I feel that’s the direction I’m heading in as soon as I’m comfortable that my BS BL isn’t some kind of lemon, as tuning is ALMOST certainly a warranty killer (unless your buddies with the dealer). I’ve also taken a look at the Livernois, but they don’t post a dyno chart and instead have bulleted line items that cite way too large a an increase in hp for my liking on this engine. But both Cobb and Livernois are also pros on this Ecoboost platform. I also like that Cobb offers a %15 military discount.

definitely interested to see how your experience with 5star turns out.
 
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Did you consider the Cobb tune? I feel that’s the direction I’m heading in as soon as I’m comfortable that my BS BL isn’t some kind of lemon, as tuning is ALMOST certainly a warranty killer (unless your buddies with the dealer). I’ve also taken a look at the Livernois, but they don’t post a dyno chart and instead have bulleted line items that cite way too large a an increase in hp for my liking on this engine. But both Cobb and Livernois are also pros on this Ecoboost platform. I also like that Cobb offers a %15 military discount.

definitely interested to see how your experience with 5star turns out.
I had many great experiences with Cobb! They tuned a couple of my Subaru WRX cars, my VW R32/R36, and others. Their technical work was excellent. Several friends with GTRs had great things to say about them too! That was many years ago...

I'm afraid they seem to be a very different company now, and I'm not sure how much is public news with their various issues (all political and related to CARB and such). They do great work, and one of my close friends used to work in management...

If Cobb offers a tune, I'm certain it will be good. I only have good things to say, but I don't know much about their current circumstances. I think all of their CA based operations are closed, and you'd be working with their Texas office (I could be wrong).

As for Livernois, I had similar feelings. It was also surreal to cruise YouTube and not see a ton of options! I was spoiled with the F150. Anyhow, Livernois could be fine, I just don't have any knowledge of them beyond seeing their online content. I don't personally know anyone with their tunes. If you get it, please share your results.
 
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Did you consider the Cobb tune? I feel that’s the direction I’m heading in as soon as I’m comfortable that my BS BL isn’t some kind of lemon, as tuning is ALMOST certainly a warranty killer (unless your buddies with the dealer). I’ve also taken a look at the Livernois, but they don’t post a dyno chart and instead have bulleted line items that cite way too large a an increase in hp for my liking on this engine. But both Cobb and Livernois are also pros on this Ecoboost platform. I also like that Cobb offers a %15 military discount.

definitely interested to see how your experience with 5star turns out.
I also waited to be reasonably sure my rig wasn't a dud...and I suppose I'm there now with about 12K miles...I do need to get the various LED related TSBs addressed but I'm not worried about that. Good thinking for sure. You never know, right?

It is worth pointing out that any dealer must prove you caused specific damage and invalidating a warranty is a big deal. A neighbor friend recently retired, and worked for Ford for 30 years...lots of stories as you'd imagine, but it takes something pretty egregious to have them deny a warranty. I have also had experiences where dealerships are happy to work with you on such failures (Audi in Los Angeles comes to mind!).

While Ford Motorsports does not offer an in-house tuning offering the way they do for the 2.3l and 2.7l Broncos, I'm sure it is being considered. They'd be splitting hairs here, so I don't think this is a huge deal. That said, I'm willing to "pay to play" so yeah, buyer beware. :)

There is a lot of precedence here. General and specific auto-related warranty material is out there for us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
 

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*I have a PCV oil catch can on my 3.5EB F150 (model specific application) and would consider one here, but that is specifically called out as needing a revised tune and that surprises me. That might be a clue on differences with this implementation.

Why would a tune require a catch can? I'd be asking that to the tuner for an explanation. For the record both engines already have an oil separator (a catch can plus routes oil back to crankcase).
 
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*I have a PCV oil catch can on my 3.5EB F150 (model specific application) and would consider one here, but that is specifically called out as needing a revised tune and that surprises me. That might be a clue on differences with this implementation.

Why would a tune require a catch can? I'd be asking that to the tuner for an explanation. For the record both engines already have an oil separator.
Tunes require premium octane gas. Catchcans help prevent octane dilution from pcv gases.
 


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I also waited to be reasonably sure my rig wasn't a dud...and I suppose I'm there now with about 12K miles...I do need to get the various LED related TSBs addressed but I'm not worried about that. Good thinking for sure. You never know, right?

It is worth pointing out that any dealer must prove you caused specific damage and invalidating a warranty is a big deal. A neighbor friend recently retired, and worked for Ford for 30 years...lots of stories as you'd imagine, but it takes something pretty egregious to have them deny a warranty. I have also had experiences where dealerships are happy to work with you on such failures (Audi in Los Angeles comes to mind!).

While Ford Motorsports does not offer an in-house tuning offering the way they do for the 2.3l and 2.7l Broncos, I'm sure it is being considered. They'd be splitting hairs here, so I don't think this is a huge deal. That said, I'm willing to "pay to play" so yeah, buyer beware. :)

There is a lot of precedence here. General and specific auto-related warranty material is out there for us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
Fully aware of the Magnuson Moss act. My experience has been mostly with "big city" dealerships (for a lack of a better term) and what I've found is that they will absolutely reject your warranty if your car is tuned. No matter what. I've seen them deny replacing the AC condenser (on another car site) because the car was tuned. So while you can definitely get away with changing the exhaust (maybe) or adding a CAI, or maybe even adding a catchcan (again...maybe)....very doubtful that you can get powertrain warranty work done on a tuned engine at my dealer.

But again, not poo-pooing tuning....just that one has to be prepared to ditch the warranty. I tuned my 2.3 Mustang with the Ford Performance tune just because they offered 36000 miles of warranty. Don't know many tunes that offer that.

I do believe you can squeeze a bit more hp from these vehicles, especially if you commit to running premium fuel, but it when people really try to push the block, that they get into trouble.
 

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Tunes require premium octane gas. Catchcans help prevent octane dilution from pcv gases.
Understand the octane reasoning, as the tune is written with octane requirements. It's the catch can/oil separator requirements that I question, as the 1.5 and 2.0 already have one. As other threads here have mentioned, as long as you change your oil at 5K intervals (which I assume you would with the tune's ability to "enjoy" the engines capabilities more), you would not have issues with the OEM's ability to perform what the aftermarket catch can/oil separator does.
 

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Understand the octane reasoning, as the tune is written with octane requirements. It's the catch can requirements that I question, as the 1.5 and 2.0 already have one. As other threads here have mentioned, as long as you change your oil at 5K intervals (which I assume you would with the tune's ability to "enjoy" the engines capabilities more), you would not have issues with the OEM's ability to perform what the aftermarket catch can/oil separator does.
Sorry. I'm not getting into a 'catchcans aren't necessary' back -and-forth wit ya! ? If you don't like 'em.....God speed. I was just trying to answer your question.

But I will say, I think you're putting too much faith in the OEM "separator". Have you ever taken off the manifold and inspected the valves on an Ecoboost engine? Have you ever inspected your pcv lines for oil? If so, I would hope that you would understand that the OEM separator is not doing that great a job.
 

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BTW, from what I recently found out from watching BS youtube videos (I've been binging them since I bought the car) was that (and correct me if I got some bad info) the dragon 3 cylinders also have port injection to clean off the valves.

If so, then yes, every 1.5 BS owner NEVER has to worry about installing a catchcan
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