The recall for Cracked injectors and computer update.

[linux_author]

here's my question: our VIN ('22 BS BB) indicates no recall or problem... is there a way to easily visually verify whether or not the 'tube' has been installed? tia...

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[BSBB4Les]

There's a video of an install on an Escape 1.5l on another post, but once the stuff that was removed to get to the affected area was reinstalled, you can't see it at all! I went out to my BB which got the drain tube installed this past Tuesday and I couldn't see it there either. Too much tubing and wire looms in the way.

 

[Sleddog]

Left side wheel well. If you look in there you will see the tube attached to the frame pointing down. It will extend a couple of inches below the attachment point. You can see it in the picture.

 

[biglarrr]

Once a month we travel between Ma and Pa with 10-14 hours in the car over a weekend.

And this is the most relevant reason I started this discussion. I bought My BSOB because I wanted a great vehicle that I could take on a trip without undue worry. Of course there's always the possibility of a flat tire, or a fender bender, or any number of incidents that could happen no matter what vehicle you're driving.
BUT - Ford in their infinite wisdom built a vehicle with the drain hole already present, and a convenient place to mount the hose that should have been mounted during assembly. But they decided to save fifty cents and risk the lives of every customer who purchased a BS. And of course vehicles started catching on fire, and then they finally with a prod from the government decided - I guess we should put that drain tube on now.
OK - depending on whose numbers your believe it's only about one in a hundred that are having issues, but when You're talking about more than a half million vehicles, that's a substantial number.
More people would play the lottery if their odds were 1 in a 100 of winning.
Do you want to bet your life on Ford - where the new business model is "Quality is job None!"

 

[Mark S.]

BUT - Ford in their infinite wisdom built a vehicle with the drain hole already present, and a convenient place to mount the hose that should have been mounted during assembly. But they decided to save fifty cents and risk the lives of every customer who purchased a BS.

Do you have EVIDENCE that Ford deliberately omitted installation of a drain tube to save money at the risk of customer lives? If you have such evidence it would be worth quite a lot in a lawsuit. THAT would be good information to share with forum users. If you don't have evidence then it's just baseless speculation.

In what I'm sure you find a strange turn of events, Ford has made publicly available the data regarding a hazard which, according to you, it created in the name of profit. How does this fit with your logic?

OK - depending on whose numbers your believe it's only about one in a hundred that are having issues, but when You're talking about more than a half million vehicles, that's a substantial number.
More people would play the lottery if their odds were 1 in a 100 of winning.

Now you're just making stuff up. There have been some 250,000 Bronco Sports sold so far. And that's just Bronco Sports; this recall ALSO applies to Escape models with the same engine. But let's just use Bronco Sport numbers and do some math. To be at a 1 in 100 risk would mean 2,500 under-hood fires for Bronco Sports alone, and those fires would have to be specifically attributed to cracked injectors. TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED cars destroyed by fire due to a manufacturing defect would be BIG news. Why haven't we heard about this? Do you know something the rest of us don't? If so, please share it.

And of course vehicles started catching on fire, and then they finally with a prod from the government decided - I guess we should put that drain tube on now.

There is no evidence I'm aware of suggesting this recall was initiated by the NTHSA. If you have some please post it. What we DO know is that Ford investigated the causes of reported fires, then developed and implemented strategies to mitigate the risk of further fires. We also know the NHTSA reviewed and approved Ford's response. You can speculate whether Ford would have acted as it has on this issue without NHTSA oversight, but that would be more baseless speculation, not fact. Why post baseless speculation?

And this is the most relevant reason I started this discussion. I bought My BSOB because I wanted a great vehicle that I could take on a trip without undue worry.

There is a very good summary about this recall on Ford's website. You can read it here. It covers what Ford's engineers believe to be the cause of at least two under hood fires, and it's recommended fix to avoid future fires. It also lists ways an owner can determine if their car is at risk of a fire for the known causes. It's really very simple: If you smell gas, park your car and get the leak fixed. If you have the recall work completed you'll likely see a notice on your dash display about low fuel pressure long before you ever smell gas. The drain tube all but eliminates fire concerns by porting gas away from components hot enough to initiate combustion. That said, I would still park it if I saw a dash indicator or smelled gas (the leak could be somewhere else after all).

Do you want to bet your life on Ford - where the new business model is "Quality is job None!"

Given what you say you believe about your car, why do you keep it? We all bet our lives on product engineers daily. Some of the best engineers in the world work in the automotive industry, and its position in the industry suggests at least a few of them work at Ford. If you are so deathly afraid of your car why not sell it and get something you feel you can trust? The market for used cars right now has never been better. I just sold my father-in-law's 2019 Toyota for $3000 less than he paid for it four-and-half years ago.

I'm going out on a limb and guessing you continue driving your car while at the same time trying to convince people reading this forum it is a death trap. Can you please explain your purpose here?

 

[jkeaton]

And this is the most relevant reason I started this discussion. I bought My BSOB because I wanted a great vehicle that I could take on a trip without undue worry. Of course there's always the possibility of a flat tire, or a fender bender, or any number of incidents that could happen no matter what vehicle you're driving.
BUT - Ford in their infinite wisdom built a vehicle with the drain hole already present, and a convenient place to mount the hose that should have been mounted during assembly. But they decided to save fifty cents and risk the lives of every customer who purchased a BS. And of course vehicles started catching on fire, and then they finally with a prod from the government decided - I guess we should put that drain tube on now.
OK - depending on whose numbers your believe it's only about one in a hundred that are having issues, but when You're talking about more than a half million vehicles, that's a substantial number.
More people would play the lottery if their odds were 1 in a 100 of winning.
Do you want to bet your life on Ford - where the new business model is "Quality is job None!"

So much misinformation in this post. Thanks @Mark S. for fact checking this.

 

[biglarrr]

So much misinformation in this post. Thanks @Mark S. for fact checking this.

I'm not going to bother quoting your fairy tale comments that are more far fetched than any facts, or conclusions I've drawn.
17 recalls in just two model years with everything from worker hammering on the wrong parts because they could make them fit, to differentials without grease, and of course no drain for injectors that are obviously an issue for just about every car, but for which even though the drain hole was already drilled they decided not to mount the hardware to make it useful.
YES - I still have my BSOB, and I even got it ceramic coated. To me it's Beautiful, but to me it also a prime example of the end of "Quality is Job #1". I went to the Michigan Ford plant and watched the movies, and watched the workers, doing quality work. I am absolutely positive that I wouldn't see the same thing in Mexico where our BS's are built.
The 17 recalls I'm aware of (there may be more) are almost all related lack of quality control, and parts made by 3rd party vendors, that also have poor quality control.
You can't tell me that Ford didn't know that some injectors would probably fail, and you also can't tell me that if other manufacturers have already put a drain device on their cars that Ford didn't know it was needed on the BS. Why would the hole already be there, if it wasn't for a tube that Ford decided to gamble wouldn't be needed.
Your numbers are more inaccurate than mine, and at least I stated "Depending on which numbers you believe". The most recent confirmed count of BS's sold from February, 2023 was over 650,000, with an estimate of less than 1% to 1.5% of vehicles affected. It didn't say all of those burned to ashes. It said they were affected, - which is exactly what I said.
You also claim that used cars are at their highest price ever. Not True, and even more so NOT TRUE for the BS. I recently read that trade in value on the BS model has dropped 17% since the Fuel injector recall became public.
From the day I purchased mine it's been issue, after issue, after issue. The dealer couldn't get the computer to connect with Ford Connect when I picked my BS up, and had to schedule a service call the following week. Then a month after the Moon Roof quit working entirely. They claimed they had to replace both motors, and switch assemblies. Then at 7 months, the battery started failing and features that were dependent on a fully charged battery quit working. That took four trips to the service department, and finally a specialist who is assigned to multiple dealerships to tackle issues that local service departments can't handle, to tell the service manager to run a second level diagnostic on the battery. The service manager claimed his best mechanic was working on my BS, but he couldn't figure that out by himself.
So I have a pretty toy, than I can run to the grocery store with, or visit friends that are a few miles away, or hopefully make it to the doctor's office with, but that I wouldn't make a hundred mile trip with as long as my other car is available.
Some people have expensive art that they rarely look at but that they are happy they own.
I have an expensive toy that I can drive around the block and wash and polish regularly to fool people who see it into believing that it's a great purchase.
I regret that I don't have any confidence in it, but for some reason, I still feel good about hanging onto it.
After all these years - the Edsel is fetching big bucks. Maybe someday my Edsel/Bronco will do the same.

 

[Mark S.]

I'm not going to bother quoting your fairy tale comments that are more far fetched than any facts, or conclusions I've drawn.

I wish you would. If I've stated something that's incorrect please correct me.

17 recalls in just two model years...

This discussion isn't about Ford's quality control, it's about the possibility of underhood fires faced by owners of 1.5L Bronco Sports.

You can't tell me that Ford didn't know that some injectors would probably fail, and you also can't tell me that if other manufacturers have already put a drain device on their cars that Ford didn't know it was needed on the BS. Why would the hole already be there, if it wasn't for a tube that Ford decided to gamble wouldn't be needed.

Is this your evidence of Ford's misdeeds? This makes no logical sense. You're saying Ford ignored basic fuel containment protocols to save a few pennies even though it knew fires would occur, which would then prompt NHTSA to direct a recall, which would then cost Ford more money to comply with than if had simply installed a drain tube to begin with. Is this your evidence of Ford putting profits ahead of customer safety?

The most recent confirmed count of BS's sold from February, 2023 was over 650,000...

Here's the most recent US-Canada sales figures for the Bronco Sport I could find. Perhaps you mean combined Bronco Sport/Escape sales? Can you please share your sources?

...with an estimate of less than 1% to 1.5% of vehicles affected. It didn't say all of those burned to ashes. It said they were affected, - which is exactly what I said.

Affected by what? The recall? They had cracked injectors? Please tell me specifically what you mean and share your source. I've shared my sources for factual data. The link I provided in my previous post is Ford's statement justifying the recall. It states:

As of November 1, 2022, there were fifty-four (54) reports alleging fire underhood on 2020-2022MY Bronco Sport and Escape vehicles, equipped with the 1.5L dragon engine, in North America. A complete accounting of all fifty-four (54) 1.5L under hood fire reports known to Ford includes: four (4) of them have had one confirmed cracked fuel injector determined from the fuel injector supplier tear-down analysis. Ford Engineering assessed the fifty (50) remaining reports, determining: approximately thirteen (13) others were likely caused by a leaking fuel injector (based upon customer reports and available vehicle information), three (3) involved previous fuel system related repairs which may have been mis-diagnosed and potentially involved a leaking fuel injector, one (1) was attributed to incomplete repair from a previous crash event, one (1) was attributed to arson, three (3) were related to potential electrical system concerns, five (5) were attributed to oil separator leaks, and twenty-four (24) are of an undetermined origin.

That's seventeen (17) 1.5L engines with either confirmed or likely fuel injector leaks. If you use YOUR NUMBER (650,000 vehicles) how do you get to 1%-1.5% affected? I'll do the math for you: 1.5% of 650,000 is 9,750. If you know for a fact that more vehicles have been "affected" please tell us what you mean by "affected" and share your source.

You also claim that used cars are at their highest price ever. Not True,

Ok, you caught me there. The "highest ever" was a bit over a year ago, but prices are trending back up toward the record, and though they are not as high as the record they are higher than they have been in decades.

I recently read that trade in value on the BS model has dropped 17% since the Fuel injector recall became public.

What is your source for this? I'm trying very hard to include all my sources when I make a statement I believe to be factual. I'm asking out of courtesy that you do the same. This link opens a listing on Autotrader.com for used 1.5L equipped Bronco Sports within 500 miles of where I live. The asking prices appear to be at or above MSRP sticker for most. These prices may very well be 17% lower than the peak of last year, but they remain high enough to strongly suggest a robust seller's market for used Bronco Sports. They certainly appear high enough that anyone wishing to sell their Bronco Sport will not suffer a significant loss.

I get that you've had a number of issues with your car, and you're frustrated. I would be too if my car had all the issues yours has. But I don't see how that justifies needlessly frightening your fellow forum members and potential owners who may be reading this forum looking for information.

I ask again: What are you trying to accomplish?

 

[Major Kong]

Hello Mr. Ford dealership, I'd like to schedule my appointment for the injector recall.

Ford dealership :

 

[jkeaton]

You

I'm not going to bother quoting your fairy tale comments that are more far fetched than any facts, or conclusions I've drawn.
17 recalls in just two model years with everything from worker hammering on the wrong parts because they could make them fit, to differentials without grease, and of course no drain for injectors that are obviously an issue for just about every car, but for which even though the drain hole was already drilled they decided not to mount the hardware to make it useful.
YES - I still have my BSOB, and I even got it ceramic coated. To me it's Beautiful, but to me it also a prime example of the end of "Quality is Job #1". I went to the Michigan Ford plant and watched the movies, and watched the workers, doing quality work. I am absolutely positive that I wouldn't see the same thing in Mexico where our BS's are built.
The 17 recalls I'm aware of (there may be more) are almost all related lack of quality control, and parts made by 3rd party vendors, that also have poor quality control.
You can't tell me that Ford didn't know that some injectors would probably fail, and you also can't tell me that if other manufacturers have already put a drain device on their cars that Ford didn't know it was needed on the BS. Why would the hole already be there, if it wasn't for a tube that Ford decided to gamble wouldn't be needed.
Your numbers are more inaccurate than mine, and at least I stated "Depending on which numbers you believe". The most recent confirmed count of BS's sold from February, 2023 was over 650,000, with an estimate of less than 1% to 1.5% of vehicles affected. It didn't say all of those burned to ashes. It said they were affected, - which is exactly what I said.
You also claim that used cars are at their highest price ever. Not True, and even more so NOT TRUE for the BS. I recently read that trade in value on the BS model has dropped 17% since the Fuel injector recall became public.
From the day I purchased mine it's been issue, after issue, after issue. The dealer couldn't get the computer to connect with Ford Connect when I picked my BS up, and had to schedule a service call the following week. Then a month after the Moon Roof quit working entirely. They claimed they had to replace both motors, and switch assemblies. Then at 7 months, the battery started failing and features that were dependent on a fully charged battery quit working. That took four trips to the service department, and finally a specialist who is assigned to multiple dealerships to tackle issues that local service departments can't handle, to tell the service manager to run a second level diagnostic on the battery. The service manager claimed his best mechanic was working on my BS, but he couldn't figure that out by himself.
So I have a pretty toy, than I can run to the grocery store with, or visit friends that are a few miles away, or hopefully make it to the doctor's office with, but that I wouldn't make a hundred mile trip with as long as my other car is available.
Some people have expensive art that they rarely look at but that they are happy they own.
I have an expensive toy that I can drive around the block and wash and polish regularly to fool people who see it into believing that it's a great purchase.
I regret that I don't have any confidence in it, but for some reason, I still feel good about hanging onto it.
After all these years - the Edsel is fetching big bucks. Maybe someday my Edsel/Bronco will do the same.

you should try including the sources of this information. You sound like fake news. Repeat a lie often enough, eventually people will believe you.

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