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After speaking to the service representative today . I had to call at 400pm because I wanted to know what was up with car after it being there for 8 hours. Apparently om guessing he spoke or someone spoke to someone at ford and they told him to run the stress test on it. He said it takes hours? I'm just hoping they find the problem. And we get to the bottom of it. And can be fixed. I have to see if there's a way to post a picture. I took one of the reservoir when it was low. And so far it's been that low 3 times in the last two months. With no apparent sign of a leak. ?
The pressure test does take hours, when done right. Of course if there’s a big leak it doesn’t take hours. When there’s no leak it does take a long time to verify that pressure is maintained in the cooling system.
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The test they are performing requires pressurization of the cooling system to operating pressure. This will force the coolant out of wherever it is leaking over time. If it's going into a cylinder past the head gasket they may simply replace the gasket. If there is a defect in the block allowing coolant to leak into the cylinder they will replace the block, which is essentially a new engine, mainly because it's cheaper to replace the block with all the internals than to pull all the internals out of yours and put them into a new block.

Your car is well within the warranty period, and like Cuda says, unless you've modified it or operated it in a fashion not covered by the warranty (usually racing or similar high-stress activities) you should be taken care of. If not, you have an excellent case for a lawsuit.
 

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There can be an external coolant leak and no puddle on the ground. But usually you would smell the coolant when you get out of vehicle after driving it.

I would not fret just yet. It might just be a loose hose, leaking sensor, or something simple. If you were outside the 5 year 60k power train warranty thats when you worry....
 

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My BL was doing the same thing; "losing coolant" and I even noticed a slight coolant smell at times after parking but I never found a leak or puddle. Ford dealer kept saying it was normal. So I brought it to my friends garage; my intercooler had a slight leak. Wasn't covered under warranty; Ford wouldn't take responsibility ?‍♂
Changed the intercooler; 3 months passed now and coolant level holding ? and no coolant smell.
That is weird, the intercooler is not connected to the engine cooling system. Not clear how replacing the intercooler would fix an engine coolant leak.
 


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After speaking to the service representative today . I had to call at 400pm because I wanted to know what was up with car after it being there for 8 hours. Apparently om guessing he spoke or someone spoke to someone at ford and they told him to run the stress test on it. He said it takes hours? I'm just hoping they find the problem. And we get to the bottom of it. And can be fixed. I have to see if there's a way to post a picture. I took one of the reservoir when it was low. And so far it's been that low 3 times in the last two months. With no apparent sign of a leak. ?
The test they are performing requires pressurization of the cooling system to operating pressure. This will force the coolant out of wherever it is leaking over time. If it's going into a cylinder past the head gasket they may simply replace the gasket. If there is a defect in the block allowing coolant to leak into the cylinder they will replace the block, which is essentially a new engine, mainly because it's cheaper to replace the block with all the internals than to pull all the internals out of yours and put them into a new block.

Your car is well within the warranty period, and like Cusays, unless you've modified it or operated it in a fashion not covered by the warranty (usually racing or similar high-stress activities) you should be taken care of. If not, you have an excellent case for a lawsuit.
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There can be an external coolant leak and no puddle on the ground. But usually you would smell the coolant when you get out of vehicle after driving it.

I would not fret just yet. It might just be a loose hose, leaking sensor, or something simple. If you were outside the 5 year 60k power train warranty thats when you worry....
Ford dealer ran the pressure test at 21 psi i guess ? When test was over they said it was at 15. So there's a problem they just don't where yet. They will check now with a borescope or something like that by taking the spark plugs out. Figures
Took 2 weeks off to help my fatherGet into home hospice
Thought jd be going back to work today after thinking Ford would fix my car or Give me a loaner yesterday. I'm not eligible for a loaner since I didn't buy car there and actually they mostly go to the elite Lincoln customers.
 
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they Ford dealer ran the pressure test at 21 psi i guess ? When test was over they said it was at 15. So there's a problem they just don't where yet. They will check now with a borescope or something like that by taking the spark plugs out. Figures
Took 2 weeks off to help my fatherGet into home hospice
Thought jd be going back to work today after thinking Ford would fix my car or Give me a loaner yesterday. I'm not eligible for a loaner since I didn't buy car there and actually they mostly go to the elite Lincoln customers.
Anyway I'm grateful they are taking the time to fix it. Everyone has some bad luck now and again. Il see what they say later today .
 

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they Ford dealer ran the pressure test at 21 psi i guess ? When test was over they said it was at 15. So there's a problem they just don't where yet. They will check now with a borescope or something like that by taking the spark plugs out. Figures
Took 2 weeks off to help my fatherGet into home hospice
Thought jd be going back to work today after thinking Ford would fix my car or Give me a loaner yesterday. I'm not eligible for a loaner since I didn't buy car there and actually they mostly go to the elite Lincoln customers.
I wish you all the best with your father. The car will definitely sort itself out, though I can definitely understand how car issues add to stress!
 
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Anyway I'm grateful they are taking the time to fix it. Everyone has some bad luck now and again. Il see what they say later today
I wish you all the best with your father. The car will definitely sort itself out, though I can definitely understand how car issues add to stress!
Thank you. What I don't understand is i thought the whole point of a stress test is to see where the coolant is going ? Fingers crossed they can see where it's going. I' should know more in a few hours hopefully. They don't know much yet .
 

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That is weird, the intercooler is not connected to the engine cooling system. Not clear how replacing the intercooler would fix an engine coolant leak.
Actually coolant is running thru the intercooler. They showed me the leak ?‍♂
 


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i thought the whole point of a stress test is to see where the coolant is going ? Fingers crossed they can see where it's going.
Yes, that's the point. Troubleshooting is a step-by-step process whereby you look for the simplest/easiest-to-fix issues first. The simplest issue in your case would be a leaking hose or other issue that could be easily fixed.

From what you've said, you have evidence of a system leak, but no visible external leaks. That strongly suggests the coolant is going into a cylinder and getting burned off as you drive. To find out they'll have to take a peek inside your cylinders with a borescope.

A borescope is a small camera on a flexible stalk, like this:

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The technician will pull the spark plugs, then stick the camera into the spark plug hole to see if there's any coolant in one or more of the cylinders. Any coolant in the cylinder indicates a bad gasket or defect in the block. In most cases, a bad gasket (which is just a seal between two engine parts) can be replaced. A defect in the block will require a new engine.
 

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Actually coolant is running thru the intercooler. They showed me the leak ?‍♂
Although there is such a thing as a air-to-liquid intercooler, the type used on Ford's EcoBoost line of engines are all air-to-air. The video below explains how air-to-air and air-to-liquid intercoolers work.



Now that you've watched the video you know it would be illogical to use engine coolant as a cooling medium in the intercooler. The purpose of the intercooler is to cool the air pressurized by the turbo (charge air), and engine coolant at operating temperature will be equal to or higher than the temperature of the pressurized charge air, so no cooling will occur.

You can see by looking at the parts list the intercooler installed in your car has no connections to the coolant system, so if your intercooler has coolant in it then the leak is somewhere else and the coolant is simply flowing via gravity to the intercooler.

My guess is there was a miscommunication between you and your mechanic.
 
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My guess is there was a miscommunication between you and your mechanic.
Actually coolant is running thru the intercooler. They showed me the leak ?‍♂
Maybe they replaced the radiator, not the intercooler? They are essentially in the same position under the hood.
 
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Yes, that's the point. Troubleshooting is a step-by-step process whereby you look for the simplest/easiest-to-fix issues first. The simplest issue in your case would be a leaking hose or other issue that could be easily fixed.

From what you've said, you have evidence of a system leak, but no visible external leaks. That strongly suggests the coolant is going into a cylinder and getting burned off as you drive. To find out they'll have to take a peek inside your cylinders with a borescope.

A borescope is a small camera on a flexible stalk, like this:

Ford Bronco Sport Losing Coolant {filename}


The technician will pull the spark plugs, then stick the camera into the spark plug hole to see if there's any coolant in one or more of the cylinders. Any coolant in the cylinder indicates a bad gasket or defect in the block. In most cases, a bad gasket (which is just a seal between two engine parts) can be replaced. A defect in the block will require a new engine.
Thank for the explanatIon . They say they are 99% sure it's the water pump. Apparently they removed something and could feel coolant moisture.and the water pumps leaks a drop or whatever then ithe drop get hits and sprays everywhere. Is short of the long of it. So they ordered a water pump and parts from Detroit. Maybe Monday Tuesday i will have car back once they test with the new pump.
 
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Yes, that's the point. Troubleshooting is a step-by-step process whereby you look for the simplest/easiest-to-fix issues first. The simplest issue in your case would be a leaking hose or other issue that could be easily fixed.

From what you've said, you have evidence of a system leak, but no visible external leaks. That strongly suggests the coolant is going into a cylinder and getting burned off as you drive. To find out they'll have to take a peek inside your cylinders with a borescope.

A borescope is a small camera on a flexible stalk, like this:

Ford Bronco Sport Losing Coolant {filename}


The technician will pull the spark plugs, then stick the camera into the spark plug hole to see if there's any coolant in one or more of the cylinders. Any coolant in the cylinder indicates a bad gasket or defect in the block. In most cases, a bad gasket (which is just a seal between two engine parts) can be replaced. A defect in the block will require a new engine.
Really scary if it's that. They say water pump but are not 100% they are just going to replace it and stress test it again with a new pump. I've said how much I love the car but not knowing 100% doesn't give me a good feeling. They took off a cover and was moisture and residue that coolant would leave behind. And apparently when he took the cover off he noticed a coolant drop. Somehow they think rhe pump leaks slow like a drop and that drop somehow gets sprayed all over. Hence you can't see where it's coming from.. so well see what the new pump does. Thanks for everything. Everyone. Buy American.
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