B Pillar rattle sound FIXED

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A.K.A. How I saved my sanity and improved my ride for the cost of a gallon.

It wasn't always there. At some point the car developed a quiet clunk sound on the driver's side. Eliminated a bunch of things by trial and error. Loose trim. Speaker mounts. Door panel. Exterior plastic panel. Rain vents / wind combo. As the sound slowly drove me down to madness, I narrowed it down to something in the pillar by pressing my ear right to it while driving. Tensioning the belt and pressing on the panels had no effect so I had to do a deeper dive.

By removing all the panels, I thought at first it was the door harness where it contacted the inner panel. But it turns out it is this weird metal guide piece for the seat belt doing it. The way it was covered in dust and fuzz, I think it must also be part strop. When Ford built the thing, this metal tab was hung on the frame and then it is all held together with a plastic pin. You know, why use actual hardware when you can press in a plastic plug and send it? I'm guessing over time, the plastic pin lost a little bit of grip, allowing the piece to hit metal to metal and make the sound. Normally, one might insert some kind of dampener in there. But you know, Jim Farley can't possibly spend the $0.001 for a shim, times are tough!
Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED IMG_20240718_093805169


If you have this issue and want to try to DIY, here's what I did.
Tools: Auto trim tool. Boxknife. Awl. Scissors. Small hammer. 7mm something; I used a nutdriver and crazy hand strength. A socket or wrench would do better because that one bolt was put in with all the power of Zeus.
Parts: Trim pin. Jug.

Be prepared to remove about a mile of trim pieces. You need to get the upper pillar cover off. To do that, you need to first remove the rocker panel covers from the front and rear doors. Just pull them out steady and firmly and the tabs will pop out of the sockets. You just need to pull the front up enough to release the captured pillar panel. The lower panel (black) comes out the same way, pulling force. There are several rows of tabs and once it is freed a bit, you can slip the belt hold down through the slit in the panel, if you want to.

Now you're ready to remove the upper trim piece (white). First undo the one 7mm bolt holding the bottom front to the pillar. Then do another pull and pop on the tabs. Under there you'll find the belt guide pictured above.

It is held in the center with that one cheap, plastic pin. Pulling them typically destroys them. Yeah, in theory it can go back in. But a lack of hold strength is how we got to this point. Get a big bag of assorted pins from the parts store or the big rainforest place. I prefer the more... reusable type pins. Instead of a barbed end, they have an anchor and a centerpin to spread it like drywall anchors. You need to match the pin diameter to the hole.
Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED Captur


You're going to use a trim tool to pry that thing out. If you want to save it, you'll have to be more careful than I was. I almost ended up using pliers to finish ripping it, but it surrendered.

Now comes the technical part. I needed something to put between the guide and the body. Something that would let it move slightly and not deteriorate. I looked at foam and cork and then plastic to get it thinner and "slipperier". I settled on a 1 gallon milk jug in the recycle. (Sorry Canadians, you'll have to find something else.) It's that sort of slick PET type plastic. I used the boxcutter and scissors to cut out that pre-drawn circle spot on the side. One jug is enough material to do both pillars if you want to. I lined it up and eyeballed a spot to cut a slit for the tab. I put it all back on the pillar and used the awl to make a hole for the body pin.
Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED IMG_20240718_093841813


First tap the base all the way in, then get the center in. I used a small finishing nail hammer. Here it is before I put all the trim back.
Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED IMG_20240718_094205005


Button up all the trim in reverse order. You have to be sure to get all the tabs fully snapped home and hope you don't cause more rattles. Use the trim tool to make sure the headliner is tucked and the rubber is on top of the rocker panels. I was a little concerned about getting the seatbelt height adjuster put back, which moved during diagnosis. I don't know if line up is critical or I am one lucky person, but it only took one try. Perhaps it self-connects when you move the lever. Everyone's happy. I got my quiet back, Jim got his $0.001 by not importing and installing a shim piece. The Chinese trim pin makers got to make 2 pins for one job.
 

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I think I may have this issue with my Bronco Sport. It only has 1300 miles but right now the rattle is infrequent so no point in bringing it to the Dealer but I will definitely be keeping an eye on it. Thanks for the post. I am also one of those people that are driven nuts by rattles in my cars.
 


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I think I may have this issue with my Bronco Sport. It only has 1300 miles but right now the rattle is infrequent so no point in bringing it to the Dealer but I will definitely be keeping an eye on it. Thanks for the post. I am also one of those people that are driven nuts by rattles in my cars.
Hi David! I can look into your Bronco's noise concern on my end. To get started, could you please send a private message over with the name/location of your local Ford dealer and your Bronco's VIN?
 

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Hi David! I can look into your Bronco's noise concern on my end. To get started, could you please send a private message over with the name/location of your local Ford dealer and your Bronco's VIN?
Thank you for your offer of assistance. I sent you a private message to let you know that the issue right now is so intermittent that it is not something I would take to the dealer yet. But I would appreciate if you could provide Ford with feedback based on the issue in the thread to maybe put sound deadening material between the seat belt guide and the B pillar to prevent the rattle form happening.
 

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@Glamdring70

Thank you so much for posting this detailed fix! I've been plagued by this B-pillar rattle for ages and had actually given up searching for solutions around the time you posted this. I only just came across your thread now, and it's given me a huge ray of hope.

I had a very similar experience with my Bronco Sport: the sound only started appearing after I'd had the car for a while, and it has been incredibly frustrating. For me, the rattle seems to get noticeably worse as the weather gets warmer. I'm wondering if you experienced that same temperature sensitivity before your fix?

My dealer made multiple attempts to fix it, replacing the seatbelt adjuster several times and making various adjustments to the moonroof assembly, but any "fix" they made would either last only a few hours or days before the sound returned, or it simply didn't resolve the issue at all. They eventually had nothing left to offer me.

Given my history and the similarity of your symptoms, I'm particularly interested in your long-term experience. How has this fix been holding up for you over time? Is the issue still completely solved?

Any update would be greatly appreciated!
 
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I have other rattles, but not the same rattle from that spot. I don't know if I remember the temp being relevant.
 

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I have other rattles, but not the same rattle from that spot. I don't know if I remember the temp being relevant.
Thanks for the update. I agree—this is just one of many rattles to contend with. That said, it’s currently the only one that runs parallel with and at the same elevation as my ear, which makes it especially frustrating. Hopefully, I can get my dealer to implement some form of your fix and then move on to the rattles in my dashboard and the C-pillar.
 


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Thanks for the update. I agree—this is just one of many rattles to contend with. That said, it’s currently the only one that runs parallel with and at the same elevation as my ear, which makes it especially frustrating. Hopefully, I can get my dealer to implement some form of your fix and then move on to the rattles in my dashboard and the C-pillar.

Well, after two headliners, three seatbelt adjuster replacements, several weeks of cumulative out-of-service time, countless test drives, a visit from a Field Service Engineer (FSE), and being told at least a dozen times that "it's fixed"—only to hear the rattle come back 100 feet off the dealership lot—@Glamdring70 , your solution did the trick.

Total cost? Less than $20.
  • $12 for a set of 240 clips (wish I could’ve just bought one),
  • $7 for a 12" x 12", 1/16" thick sheet of closed-cell neoprene (used instead of a milk jug),
  • Plus about an hour of my time (priceless).
Problem solved.

As a side note: to save time, you don’t actually need to remove the rocker panels and lower B-pillar trim if you don’t want to. You can simply—and carefully—pull back the upper right corner of the lower B-pillar trim to reveal the 8mm bolt securing the upper trim. Remove that, then carefully remove the upper trim.

I’m astonished that after nearly three years of trying to isolate a clearly metal-on-metal rattle from the B-pillar—one both my service manager and I agreed was real—not a single person from Ford or the dealership thought to look at or mention the obviously loose metal tab sitting directly on the metal frame of the B-pillar, just below the seatbelt adjuster. I even mentioned it after reading this post and the response? “We didn’t look there because Ford doesn’t make a part to shim that up, so it wouldn’t be covered under warranty.”

This, despite the fact they stuffed my moonroof and headliner full of felt and padding (not Ford-spec) during one failed attempt to fix it. Why they didn’t at least mention this as a possible DIY workaround is beyond me. That they didn’t, even after all that, blows my mind.

Anyway, like you said—now on to the half-dozen other rattles that are extra audible now that this monstrosity next to my ear is gone...

@Ford Motor Company - take note!

Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED IMG_4006
 

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Well, after two headliners, three seatbelt adjuster replacements, several weeks of cumulative out-of-service time, countless test drives, a visit from a Field Service Engineer (FSE), and being told at least a dozen times that "it's fixed"—only to hear the rattle come back 100 feet off the dealership lot—@Glamdring70 , your solution did the trick.

Total cost? Less than $20.
  • $12 for a set of 240 clips (wish I could’ve just bought one),
  • $7 for a 12" x 12", 1/16" thick sheet of closed-cell neoprene (used instead of a milk jug),
  • Plus about an hour of my time (priceless).
Problem solved.

As a side note: to save time, you don’t actually need to remove the rocker panels and lower B-pillar trim if you don’t want to. You can simply—and carefully—pull back the upper right corner of the lower B-pillar trim to reveal the 8mm bolt securing the upper trim. Remove that, then carefully remove the upper trim.

I’m astonished that after nearly three years of trying to isolate a clearly metal-on-metal rattle from the B-pillar—one both my service manager and I agreed was real—not a single person from Ford or the dealership thought to look at or mention the obviously loose metal tab sitting directly on the metal frame of the B-pillar, just below the seatbelt adjuster. I even mentioned it after reading this post and the response? “We didn’t look there because Ford doesn’t make a part to shim that up, so it wouldn’t be covered under warranty.”

This, despite the fact they stuffed my moonroof and headliner full of felt and padding (not Ford-spec) during one failed attempt to fix it. Why they didn’t at least mention this as a possible DIY workaround is beyond me. That they didn’t, even after all that, blows my mind.

Anyway, like you said—now on to the half-dozen other rattles that are extra audible now that this monstrosity next to my ear is gone...

@Ford Motor Company - take note!
Unsurprisingly, Ford no longer monitors this forum.
 
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That's great news! I'm legit excited that someone else had the same experience. Because for a while I was gaslighting myself about it actually being solved. I must be hearing new rattles. Just think, you have 239 pins for other things to fix!

Don't take Ford to task too harshly about diagnosing it. Sometimes you need to bump into someone with the right knowledge or experience to solve things. I had a Mustang back in the '90s. I loved the car, but every time I hit a speed bump, there was this weird squeaky rattle that sort of echoed. I can still hear it in my head, wah wuk wuk wuk... No one could solve it. Then one day I was in the Quick Lane for an oil change and the oil tech asked me how I liked the car and I told them it was fine except this one weird rattle, blah blah. The guy does the change, then hands it back to me and says he fixed the rattle- an exhaust bracket was too high and the muffler body was hitting the car on the bumps. He loosened it while it was on the rack. Problem solved!
 

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A.K.A. How I saved my sanity and improved my ride for the cost of a gallon.

It wasn't always there. At some point the car developed a quiet clunk sound on the driver's side. Eliminated a bunch of things by trial and error. Loose trim. Speaker mounts. Door panel. Exterior plastic panel. Rain vents / wind combo. As the sound slowly drove me down to madness, I narrowed it down to something in the pillar by pressing my ear right to it while driving. Tensioning the belt and pressing on the panels had no effect so I had to do a deeper dive.

By removing all the panels, I thought at first it was the door harness where it contacted the inner panel. But it turns out it is this weird metal guide piece for the seat belt doing it. The way it was covered in dust and fuzz, I think it must also be part strop. When Ford built the thing, this metal tab was hung on the frame and then it is all held together with a plastic pin. You know, why use actual hardware when you can press in a plastic plug and send it? I'm guessing over time, the plastic pin lost a little bit of grip, allowing the piece to hit metal to metal and make the sound. Normally, one might insert some kind of dampener in there. But you know, Jim Farley can't possibly spend the $0.001 for a shim, times are tough!
Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED IMG_20240718_093805169


If you have this issue and want to try to DIY, here's what I did.
Tools: Auto trim tool. Boxknife. Awl. Scissors. Small hammer. 7mm something; I used a nutdriver and crazy hand strength. A socket or wrench would do better because that one bolt was put in with all the power of Zeus.
Parts: Trim pin. Jug.

Be prepared to remove about a mile of trim pieces. You need to get the upper pillar cover off. To do that, you need to first remove the rocker panel covers from the front and rear doors. Just pull them out steady and firmly and the tabs will pop out of the sockets. You just need to pull the front up enough to release the captured pillar panel. The lower panel (black) comes out the same way, pulling force. There are several rows of tabs and once it is freed a bit, you can slip the belt hold down through the slit in the panel, if you want to.

Now you're ready to remove the upper trim piece (white). First undo the one 7mm bolt holding the bottom front to the pillar. Then do another pull and pop on the tabs. Under there you'll find the belt guide pictured above.

It is held in the center with that one cheap, plastic pin. Pulling them typically destroys them. Yeah, in theory it can go back in. But a lack of hold strength is how we got to this point. Get a big bag of assorted pins from the parts store or the big rainforest place. I prefer the more... reusable type pins. Instead of a barbed end, they have an anchor and a centerpin to spread it like drywall anchors. You need to match the pin diameter to the hole.
Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED Captur


You're going to use a trim tool to pry that thing out. If you want to save it, you'll have to be more careful than I was. I almost ended up using pliers to finish ripping it, but it surrendered.

Now comes the technical part. I needed something to put between the guide and the body. Something that would let it move slightly and not deteriorate. I looked at foam and cork and then plastic to get it thinner and "slipperier". I settled on a 1 gallon milk jug in the recycle. (Sorry Canadians, you'll have to find something else.) It's that sort of slick PET type plastic. I used the boxcutter and scissors to cut out that pre-drawn circle spot on the side. One jug is enough material to do both pillars if you want to. I lined it up and eyeballed a spot to cut a slit for the tab. I put it all back on the pillar and used the awl to make a hole for the body pin.
Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED IMG_20240718_093841813


First tap the base all the way in, then get the center in. I used a small finishing nail hammer. Here it is before I put all the trim back.
Ford Bronco Sport B Pillar rattle sound FIXED IMG_20240718_094205005


Button up all the trim in reverse order. You have to be sure to get all the tabs fully snapped home and hope you don't cause more rattles. Use the trim tool to make sure the headliner is tucked and the rubber is on top of the rocker panels. I was a little concerned about getting the seatbelt height adjuster put back, which moved during diagnosis. I don't know if line up is critical or I am one lucky person, but it only took one try. Perhaps it self-connects when you move the lever. Everyone's happy. I got my quiet back, Jim got his $0.001 by not importing and installing a shim piece. The Chinese trim pin makers got to make 2 pins for one job.

Thank you for putting these instructions together! I’m dealing with the same dreaded vibration from this area. Just a thought—I may get ridiculed here—but what if I used the thin nozzle from a can of spray foam (Gaps and Cracks) and slipped it into the gap where the seatbelt retracts, foaming around the vibrating part? It wouldn’t be a perfect or permanent fix, but it might stop the vibration. What are your thoughts?
 
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That crack sealing foam dries sort of hard and rigid. I expect the heat from the sun would bake if too and you're going to get it all over the moving parts and the belt. Removing the trim panel isn't too difficult and as another poster noted, you can actually remove less than I did.
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