A Sign of Market Correction

[Bronclahoma]

I agree. ICE-equipped F-150s and SUVs are already subsidizing sales of Ford's EVs. I believe the decision to cease production of sedans was driven primarily by Ford's foray into the EV market. It was already subsidizing sedan sales with it's truck and SUV sales; it knew it couldn't subsidize both sedans and EVs.

Good point.

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[wireman]

I think it’s getting to the point where the people who’ve wanted an EV have or can get one they can afford. Meanwhile many other people are still buying ICE. Or as the person below me mentions, the premium for buying one still may be prohibitive. Obviously a combination of factors effecting this.

And I often hear the EV crowd say everyone can and should own one, even if you’re often going on road trips etc but the simple fact EVs on long distance drives inconvenience you in a way ICE doesn’t.

I think EVs are great for commuting though and they do seem to excel in that capacity but they simply aren’t to the point yet where they’re competitive with ICE for road trips or if you do buy an EV for long drives you’re accepting the trade offs as a price up pay for some principal you have.

There’s also resale considerations as well. Concerns about battery packs etc…Far from the panacea the EV crowd wants them to be but again if I needed a car for commuting, yea I’d get one.

I'm a retired senior. Won't have an EV in this life. Maybe my next life.

Like you said, probably a good commuter vehicle here in SoCal. Road trips.

They are a long way from being a practical vehicle right now. JMO. Infrastructure sucks.

They could waterboard me and I still wouldn't buy one.

 

[Mark S.]

They could waterboard me and I still wouldn't buy one.

So, you're saying an MSRP of $90K is out of the question?

 

[Colonel Angus]

So, you're saying an MSRP of $90K is out of the question?

Go Woke and go broke.

 

[wireman]

So, you're saying an MSRP of $90K is out of the question?

Great assumption on your part.

 

[rootdoc]

So, you're saying an MSRP of $90K is out of the question?

Yep!

 

[Glamdring70]

I think this has nothing to do with free market. Vehicle manufacturers are playing games with the Infrastructure Bill EV credits and incentives. Remember they jacked the price way up when the credit was announced? Does the F150 actually qualify for the stringent standards in the bill? In any case, it has to compete with stuff that does.

 

[Pigpen]

Some of these guys are commiting consumer level fraud with some of these mark ups. My advice to one is to always shop around the entire country, find a dealership not charging insane mark ups, guage their trustworthiness through communication, be willing to travel for the vehicle.

There’s a dealership I’ve seen on YouTube that does it right. I think it’s in Kansas. You order your vehicle through them, and it’s shipped to your house. I don’t know what you do about dealer prep, though. They claim the lowest prices in the country. When I was shopping for my ‘22 BS, I watched a lot of their videos that showed off the features, trim levels, etc., of various trucks and SUV’s.

 

[Bucko]

Yep!

Ditto.

 

[Bucko]

I just saw my first Ford commercial on TV last night where they are advertising the Bronco Sport.

 

[davidg4781]

The 'downside' is you can't just show up at a dealer and find the exact model, with the exact options, in the exact color you want, on the lot. The thought is that people should stay in their vehicles longer. That's Jim Farley's thoughts, anyway.

It feels like that would be the best way to do things but when I bought my BS, my previous car had some major issues and I wasn't able to drive it.

Now that I think about it, when I bought that car, the car I was driving was having major engine issues.

For some, they wait until the wheels really fall off and won't have time to order a new car. But they probably buy used. I would have but couldn't find one I really liked.

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