Well- 123,000 miles and it finally happened… transmission issue

[matienzo]

So after all these miles something finally went wrong with my orange Julius. Transmission started acting up. This is the fancy 8speed so my mechanic friends advices me to take it to the dealer. There it sit until the backlog is cleared.
I knew there was a reason they didn’t sell me the 125k warranty!
Anyways - the codes that my buddy read were: P0716, P0757, P2700, and P2701.
solenoids and double clutches.
here we go! $$$

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[RSH]

Curious, did you have the tranny serviced over that stretch of mileage?

 

[matienzo]

Curious, did you have the tranny serviced over that stretch of mileage?

My bad. I thought I had replied. No I had not had any transmission maintenance.
by the way - cost of repair: $7000!!!!

 

[gatornek]

My bad. I thought I had replied. No I had not had any transmission maintenance.
by the way - cost of repair: $7000!!!!

I'm sorry to hear about that. Trannys are super expensive. Its why I get to upset with the manufacturer's "lifetime tranny fluid rec". Transmission gears, just like any other metal, will drop shavings from day to day interaction. These shavings need to be flushed out at least once or twice during a car's "lifetime".

I'm not saying that's what happend here, but let it be a fair warning to individuals to get your transmission (and your PTU!) serviced at least every 30-50K miles

 

[Mark S.]

I'm not saying that's what happend here, but let it be a fair warning to individuals to get your transmission (and your PTU!) serviced at least every 30-50K miles

This is contradictory. You're NOT claiming that following Ford's recommendations regarding transmission fluid replacement caused this owner's transmission to fail, but owners should still replace transmission fluid at 30-50K. BTW, which is it, 30K or 50K?

For the record, Ford DOES recommend regular service intervals on the transmission fluid. This includes replacement as needed based on inspection every 30K. It also includes early replacement for certain types of use. You can find this information in the maintenance section of your owner's manual.

The right question to ask OP is not if the fluid was replaced early, but if they followed Ford's inspection schedule. If their servicing dealership inspected the car as recommended and did not suggest fluid replacement THEN you might have an argument that Ford's maintenance schedule is deficient.

 

[gatornek]

This is contradictory. You're NOT claiming that following Ford's recommendations regarding transmission fluid replacement caused this owner's transmission to fail, but owners should still replace transmission fluid at 30-50K. BTW, which is it, 30K or 50K?

Well since, I'm not relating them, they can't very well contradict each other.

For the record, Ford DOES recommend regular service intervals on the transmission fluid. This includes replacement as needed based on inspection every 30K.

Thanks. I haven't seen that. Its been a while since I looked at the spec. Bu you maybe right. Sounds like a good approach. Better than the "lifetimes" that Ive seen advertised.

The right question to ask OP is not if the fluid was replaced early, but if they followed Ford's inspection schedule.

I stand by what I said, but value your opinion. I'm fairly certain you've made it clear before you're not a fan of the approach I've listed, which is to just go ahead and change every 30-50K miles.

 

[Mark S.]

Well since, I'm not relating them...

Then I misunderstood.


This is in my (2021 MY) manual:

AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID CHECK

The automatic transmission does not have a transmission fluid dipstick. Have an authorized dealer check and change the transmission fluid at the correct service interval. See Scheduled Maintenance (page 394). Your transmission does not consume fluid. However, if the transmission slips, shifts slowly or if you notice a sign of leaking fluid, contact an authorized dealer.

but value your opinion. I'm fairly certain you've made it clear before you're not a fan of the approach I've listed, which is to just go ahead and change every 30-50K miles.

Likewise, and yes I have often argued against unnecessary maintenance.

 

[matienzo]

Just FYI -the cost to totally rebuild my transmission was $7500. Ridiculous. But had no choice. Because of my mileage FORD denied my request for financial help. It has an unlimited mileage 3yr FORD warranty so at least I have a little piece of kind. So far 1000 miles in is running perfect. Fingers crossed I don’t develop a water pump problem. That’s on the 1.5 right?

 

[ImdaJesus]

I'm sorry to hear about that. Trannys are super expensive. Its why I get to upset with the manufacturer's "lifetime tranny fluid rec". Transmission gears, just like any other metal, will drop shavings from day to day interaction. These shavings need to be flushed out at least once or twice during a car's "lifetime".

I'm not saying that's what happend here, but let it be a fair warning to individuals to get your transmission (and your PTU!) serviced at least every 30-50K miles

"Lifetime" is the life time of the trans. It's a scam gotcha game

 

[CletusVanDam]

What does it cost to get transmission fluid changed? Ballpark.

 

[gatornek]

What does it cost to get transmission fluid changed? Ballpark.

That's a good question. The servicing of it isn't too difficult (I don't think you need to drop the entire pan, but someone can correct me on that if I'm wrong), so its not really labor thats a problem. I know with my 6 speed auto on my 2.3 Mustang, it took 13quarts of Mercon, so that was a big driver of the price, which was a little over $200.

I have yet to change my transmission fluid yet, but when googling to find the transmission fluid capacity for the 8speed auto, It seems like it only takes like 5 quarts. Not sure if that's correct.

Again, since I haven't done it, and since I'm not about to post anything that isn't the actual Ford spec, as fact....I'll just wait for someone else to chime in who maybe has done it.

The driver of the price SHOULD BE the amount of Mercon it needs.

 

[gatornek]

For everyone on here dreading "transmission issues", Car CAre Nut has a very deliberate opinion on the ECVT in Toyota hybrids.

Listen here. It should go right to the correct time mark at 16:27:

 

[Bucko]

Then I misunderstood.


This is in my (2021 MY) manual:




Likewise, and yes I have often argued against unnecessary maintenance.

I'll assume though, from another thread discussion on transmission fluid (https://www.broncosportforum.com/forum/threads/something-i-feel-i-have-to-clear-up-about-transmission-servicing.10701/page-2) thread by member FB71, you have a different perspective on transmission fluid changes?

I have never liked the statement of "lifetime" when referring to fluids; Therefore I have always stuck with a maintenance of 30K with automatic transmission fluid changes. After reading that other post, it makes it easier to do with our BS's. However, I will use a transmission specialist shop (or Ford if I get lucky enough to get a scheduled appointment!).

 

[Mark S.]

you have a different perspective on transmission fluid changes

I'm always leery of anyone suggesting maintenance above and beyond that specified by the manufacturer. Maintenance of any kind--no matter how seemingly simple--introduces the opportunity for error.

Your owner's manual includes a schedule for maintenance. The transmission fluid should be inspected at every oil change. I realize that many owners do their own oil changes, but if you do you should be aware of all the other things that are on the maintenance schedule. If you're not willing to do that then you should at the very least periodically take your car to a competent mechanic and have them do it. If a transmission fluid inspection reveals significant fluid degradation then it should be replaced. The manual also lists special operating conditions under which the fluid should be changed regardless of inspection. @FB71 listed several symptoms (also listed in the owner's manual) that could indicate transmission fluid degradation.

I recommend using all of these factors to make decisions regarding transmission fluid service. If inspection or driving symptoms suggest an issue, change it. If I use the car under any of the special operating conditions listed in the manual then I change the fluid according to that schedule.

Ultimately, I view a one-size-fits-all approach of 30K fluid changes as wasteful, with the potential to increase the likelihood of maintenance errors. YMMV.

 

[Bucko]

I've always used a 30K transmission replace/flush, as per the transmission shop I have been using the past 20 years (yep, they are still in business; the son now runs the shop) on my past 4 vehicles. My current ride other than the BS is a 2007 Ford F-150. It has currently 183K on its original automatic trans, and every 30K (plus or minus a few miles) it has received a transmission fluid complete change. I have yet to ever have a transmission failure with this schedule. It costs me right at $200.00 to have this done; beats a breakdown and/or transmission failure at a much higher cost.

That is me, and I will stick to it. It is not my intention to suggest the same to anyone else.

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