California ban new gas car sales by 2035 [LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[13MikeH]

The amount of energy required to generate the electricity for the current grid is outrageous. California is determined to destroy the grid with EVs. Then when the the batteries can no longer hold a charge, there is no way to recycle them and there they go to the landfill. Definitely not Green for anybody.

Wrong green ...???? Think like a politician

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[13MikeH]

I've been working in the energy industry for more than 40 years. This is what I've experienced, know, and, believe.

Solar and wind will NEVER be able to meet the demands of the grid. They take up too much land space to be viable, and, when the wind stops blowing.....the meagre amount of energy wind turbines actually do put out stops completely. The whole 'green' discussion about these totally hides the underlying non-environmental processes needed to bring them to market and dispose of later when they fail, break, require maintenance, expire, etc. Somebody makes a ton of cash from these, just not us the consumers.

Natural gas/co-gen stations can contribute but not in a totally 'green' way. They expel heat and gasses that, by all arguments of 'green science', would contribute to our climate issues.

There is lots of coal available for energy purposes, but, it is presented as being not environmentally friendly, which is really just part of the woke 'green' climate agenda to make those who are heavily invested in solar/wind richer. It's hard to believe that in the engineering brilliance of this day and age that there aren't any technologies that can clean/scrub coal to acceptable release levels. It's another part of their agenda to crush it, and, all the hard-working people who are in that industry.

Hydro-electric is a great base load source of grid energy, yet, the 'green' economy doesn't like it either because it blocks natural waterways and floods land areas that could be used for, I don't know, growing coffee beans for Starbucks or stuff like that. Meanwhile, it has been around since the industrial revolution and powering the growth and economy of nations for hundreds of years.

Nuclear is a predominantly 'green' solution to energy needs, and, largely provides the base load in many countries for good reason. It is stable, consistently delivers on output, and, dependable. Yes, there are issues regarding waste fuel and what to do about it, but, those can certainly be overcome with good science and engineering. Yes, there have been big issues with some plants in the past (e.g Three Mile Island, Chernoybl, Fukushima) that are continually brought up by those who clearly don't understand the underlying facts and human performance issues that led to some of them. As a result of those, there have been many changes taken place over the years to address these.

The countries that have decided it was 'green' to get rid of nuclear (look at Germany for example) have certainly found themselves in desperate energy situations. Look at Europe and the need for Russian gas. A good nuclear base load would have alleviated that need to compromise their ethics of buying natural gas from someone who they criticize for a war vs the electrical demands of their countries. However, nuclear is not liked by 'green' agendas because it does not fit with their social agenda, and, political aspirations to look like a 'green' visionary leader.

Small modular reactors (SMRs) that are being developed will begin to be installed and demonstrate their capabilities of delivering grid power locally, and a remote locations, without the need for spending billions to build a bigger scale nuclear plant.

So, if countries want to go 'green' and only have EVs running around the roads, they need to take their heads out of the sand and bring a balanced approach to supplying a grid that is already beginning to fail due to 'green' priorities. The greater demands placed upon the grid by trying to get rid of base load generation and demanding only EV use will expose the 'green' agenda for what it is. Just another part of the 'Great Reset' to make the rich richer, and, the rest of us suffer, but, we'll be happy about having nothing.

How many of these political hacks have replaced their government and personal vehicles with EVs, and, stopped flying jets (personal, governmental, commercial) all over the world burning tons of jet fuel and adding to the climate issue to go to 'green' summits like Davos. Oh, the hypocrisy of it all.

Just my humble .02 though.

Amen and thank you for a boots on the grass view.

 

[13MikeH]

I wonder how they’ll charge these EVs after Lake Mead hits Deadpool in a year or two and stops sending Cali any electricity? They hate nuclear plants. Maybe a shit ton of new generating plants that use natural gas. They won’t have enough water after Deadpool, so the point is moot. I’ve read estimates that it would take 6-7 years of maximum rain and snow pack to return Lake Mead to what used to be normal levels. Climate change and warmer temps pretty much put paid to that. They’re already floating the idea of a water pipeline from either the Mississippi or the Great Lakes. If they had any leadership with brains they’d be building desalination plants.

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If the f"*$ing morons hadn't opened the gates to save a hundred salmon...it might be a bit easier...they freaking pushed countless gallons into the ocean to spawn an endangered fish. California can drop off into the ocean.

 

[DemonGT]

Do people really not realize how bad for the planet it is to produce EVs?

 

[Osco]

Prius story,
Buddy of mine buys a low mile used Prius hybrid. Had 20,000 miles.
He drives five nights a week doing 350 miles a night delivering nuclear medicine components and such all over central Florida.
He gets 50 mpg, some times 52.
His Prius battery pack bit the dust at 280,000 miles.
A new factory pack, dealer installed out the door was $2,400.00
He traded the car in for another lightly used one at 450,000 miles.
That battery pack made it to 350,000 miles.
This battery pack was the same but now cost $3,100.00
This all happened in the 2004-2012 time period. And now the batteries cost way up in the wtf range !
Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Fossil]

Curious I looked up a Prius replacement battery and found this at a Toyota authorized parts store.
For a 2010 - 2015 model which are beyond the factory warranty, $ 2,083.88 on sale. Of course labor and such are extra but it doesn't seem all that excessive considering how long they last. Shouldn't take more than a couple hours labor to switch out.

Prius battery

 

[ck122]

LoL you all are suckers and damn funny ones at that. Cali is just trying to grab headlines.
Every body knows fossle fuels will be depleted by 2035,
Duh !

lol lol lol lol lol

 

[Mark S.]

I've been hearing about running out of oil since the early 70s, yawn

Chicken Little has been at it far longer than that.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/running-out-oil-history-technology-and-abundance-1081.html

 

[Osco]

I think Oregon jumped on the band wagon also.,, :’P

 

[Fossil]

I think Oregon jumped on the band wagon also.,, :’P

"Virginia will follow California due to a 2021 law signed by former Gov. Ralph Northam that tied Virginia to the Golden State's emissions regulations."

 

[Major Kong]

problem solved
got this baby on standby

That's right kids
it's a flying carpet

 

[Jumbo1953]

I can’t wait to see how California handles the lack of electricity when most of the vehicles are EV’s.

 

[Escape2Bronco]

across the pond

It’s a crazy world we are living in today. You have seen that Germany has resorted to firing up the old coal fired plants to meet the demand. Too bad the politicians can’t seem to see beyond the middle of November.

 

[Barry S.]

NO No we don’t it sucks here. Ignorance and chiggers.
Barry, don’t tell people that or they will come here and infest us like rats. All trying to change us to be in their image not Gods !
NO Everyone Barry is just kidding, you’d hate it here. Stay in California !
We respect God here,
I live in a Gun sanctuary and you people will try to take that away and it will go bad for you I promise.
STAY AWAY FROM the South,
We see your liberal ways as a clear and present danger to our nation ya might get shot !

Osco, you are absolutely correct. My town, Holly Springs, has construction everywhere. I can't imagine why anyone would want to move to this hell hole.

 

[Barry S.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impacts_of_lithium-ion_batteries

165x the 2018 production
calculate projected EV's
apply those numbers to finite source
geopolitical proxy wars about to pop up in the strangest of places

Have no idea what you said but, if I did, I would probably agree with you.