Almost a '24 Badlands owner

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I guess it's time to introduce myself. I've been hanging around here for months now.
I joined this forum around when the forum was started, but only started actively reading and posting in the last few months.
I don't know exactly why I want a Bronco Sport, as I don't have a desire to do any off-roading. A new Escape will do nicely.
The Bronco Sport has become an obsession. The 4th Gen Escape's don't appeal to me. I prefer the boxy look of my Rabbits, Golfs, and '04 BMW X3.
I'm mostly happy with my '17 Escape. I usually keep a car for 100K miles or 10 years. With the history of coolant problems with Ford's open deck design engines, I'm wary of keeping my Escape after its extended warranty expires.
So there it is, I want a new car. I prefer to have a local dealer in case of repairs needed beyond regular maintenance. Small shops have problems with the electronics and getting parts these day, so I might as well just have a local dealer. That limits my options.

Before my Escape I've mostly only owned German cars: VWs and a BMW.
But I dislike the 22 mile drive through a dangerous traffic circle (roundabouts to some folks), to get to those dealerships.

I like the performance of the 2 liter engine in my Escape, which is comparable to the 2.8 liter VR6 engine in my '95 VW GTI. 0-60 around 7 seconds. Why do I want that level of performance? Short on-ramps on some of the highways I use on a regular basis. My old '04 BMW X3 did not have that level of performance. By comparison, it's non-turbo 3 liter straight 6 was something of a gas hog, and required Premium fuel, as well.
My '17 Escape has been the equivalent of my old X3 with the exception of performance and fuel costs.

The new Ford Escape and the Bronco Sport Badlands are the only cars that meet my criteria, unless I get another BMW X1 or X3 and suffer that traffic circle. VW it seems, has reliability problems with their similarly sized small SUV, the Taos, at least according to the reviews I've read.

On July 31st, I placed my order at my local Ford dealer for a Shadow Black BS Badlands.

I usually buy pretty basic cars. More doodads just add distractions. I require only 3 options/features: AWD, cloth seats, and heated seats.

For a long time I was undecided on a color. Most of previous cars were black.
My BMW X3 was blue, but I find the Atlas Blue a little too bright for my tastes. The white is pretty, but it is a bad choice for visibility in fog or winter driving. I drove behind one a few weeks ago and i brought tears to my eyes. It reminded me of my recently passed on oldest brother who had a International Scout. As I've stated in another thread, I do like the '84 VW GTI appearance. Black with a subtle red body stripe and subtle red badging. Think of a Batmobile from the 60s TV show.

With impending worker's strikes by UPS and UAW, which could delay the car as well as the personalized items that I add to it, I've ordered all the stuff that I want to add to it, even though I won't get the BS BL for a few months at best. The latest word on the UPS strike is that the membership starts voting on it starting tomorrow with the voting to end August 22nd.
Deliveries of the stuff I bought start arriving today.

To add to the difficulty of my waiting pain, my neighbor's parents bought a '23 OB a couple months ago, and when they visit, I get to see their Cactus Gray or Area 51 OB in the driveway across the street.
Pull the curtains! :sunglasses:

When I get actually take possession of my '24 BS BL, I'll replace my ghostly BS avatar with a photo of the real deal. My avatar is a photo I shot of an Atlas Blue BS BB at my local dealership, converted to B/W, and inverted the contrast, as well as some other editing.
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First, thanks for sticking around! In reading through your first couple of lines, I saw the BMW X3. My wife had one of those, and she loved the , shall we say, spirited driving" with it, Absolutely no comparison to the BS!

I'm sure you are anxious to get the 24 BS BL. Keep us informed on that progress, and post that first day pic when it arrives!
 
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First, thanks for sticking around! In reading through your first couple of lines, I saw the BMW X3. My wife had one of those, and she loved the , shall we say, spirited driving" with it, Absolutely no comparison to the BS!

I'm sure you are anxious to get the 24 BS BL. Keep us informed on that progress, and post that first day pic when it arrives!
Thanks for welcome, Bucko!
I had the '04 BMW X3 the longest of any car I owned, 13 years, instead of my usual 10. The last year I owned it, it let me down a few times, requiring a flatbed. Nothing out of the ordinary: starter motor failed, overflow tank split, things that will go bad in an older car.
2 failures made me want to get rid of it, even though I liked the car: Broken rear springs. Now that's unusual. The thing that I found was more unusual was that the dealer had them in stock. It seems that the Model 3 and the X3, the latter which which is based on the Model 3 chassis and drivetrain, both suffered from broken rear springs.
The replacement repair did not require any time at all. One more cup of coffee and a doughnut in their waiting room and an unexpected $500.
The other failure really ticked me off. There was a vacuum actuated valve in the exhaust splitting the single exhaust from the engine into a twin exhaust. The valve had stuck. Options: replace the whole exhaust system for a cost of $1800 plus labor, or disconnect the vacuum pump and wire it open.
Ridiculous!
 

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Man, you are bringing back memories of BMW ownership!

Before the X3, she drove a 2003 M3, with the removable hard top and soft top. It was a clean used one, and trouble free for the 3 years she had it while I was working abroad in Germany (Siemens - telecommunications division). Then came the 645 convertible. That too was used, but very low mileage lease return. See saw it while waiting for the oil change on the X3.

I was still in Germany when she made the deal trading in the X3 on the 645. The U.S. BMW dealership faxed the paperwork for me to sign (co-sign) to a Germany BMW dealership.

After about 3 years of owning that car (her favorite vehicle to this day), the warranty/certified pre owned warranty ran out, and the dealership warned us on how expensive the parts would be if/when it needed repair. We traded it in on another X3. Wife said it was never the same!

We no longer drive BMW's, as we've gotten older, and getting in/out of a sedan model gets tough on the old bones.
 
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Man, you are bringing back memories of BMW ownership!

Before the X3, she drove a 2003 M3, with the removable hard top and soft top. It was a clean used one, and trouble free for the 3 years she had it while I was working abroad in Germany (Siemens - telecommunications division). Then came the 645 convertible. That too was used, but very low mileage lease return. See saw it while waiting for the oil change on the X3.

I was still in Germany when she made the deal trading in the X3 on the 645. The U.S. BMW dealership faxed the paperwork for me to sign (co-sign) to a Germany BMW dealership.

After about 3 years of owning that car (her favorite vehicle to this day), the warranty/certified pre owned warranty ran out, and the dealership warned us on how expensive the parts would be if/when it needed repair. We traded it in on another X3. Wife said it was never the same!

We no longer drive BMW's, as we've gotten older, and getting in/out of a sedan model gets tough on the old bones.
Re: old bones. That's what I like about the X3 and the Escape. Perfect size and height to get in and out of. I'm not sure that I can get in and out of my '88 Fiero anymore. Sad to say, I haven't driven it in years. Shattered kneecap stopped me from driving a manual tranny car a while ago. I do miss it though. I drive my Escape as if it were a manual. I drive in Cruise Control on. Onmy regular routes, I know when and where to let off the gas, change the CC speeds. The problem is other drivers.
They are tailgating, looking for brake lights. When I drove man manual trans cars, many times I could drive the whole 12 miles to the mall without needing the brakes. So much for defensive driving being taught anymore.

Very few cars have manual trans anymore and drivers don't understand that manual trans drivers just downshift when the get to a lower speed limit zone and don't need the brakes. They don't slow down even in lower speed limit zones, just tailgating the car ahead of them, and ignoring speed limits.

The route is a mix of 50 mph and three 40 mph zones with only a couple traffic lights. If you make the lights, you don't need the brakes at all. The mall closed up at the same time as COVID lockdowns hit, so I don't drive that route daily anymore, but I still go to that area regularly.

When I checked out the BL, all I wanted to do was sit in it, check out the visibility and comfort. It was not necessary to test drive it. My local dealer only had 1 BL and one Heritage Limited Edition. The Limited Edition they have is not selling. They sold the 1 BL that they had and they did offer me a test drive of the Limited last Monday. Previously they weren't using it for test drives.
 


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I guess it's time to introduce myself. I've been hanging around here for months now.
I joined this forum around when the forum was started, but only started actively reading and posting in the last few months.
I don't know exactly why I want a Bronco Sport, as I don't have a desire to do any off-roading. A new Escape will do nicely.
The Bronco Sport has become an obsession. The 4th Gen Escape's don't appeal to me. I prefer the boxy look of my Rabbits, Golfs, and '04 BMW X3.
I'm mostly happy with my '17 Escape. I usually keep a car for 100K miles or 10 years. With the history of coolant problems with Ford's open deck design engines, I'm wary of keeping my Escape after its extended warranty expires.
So there it is, I want a new car. I prefer to have a local dealer in case of repairs needed beyond regular maintenance. Small shops have problems with the electronics and getting parts these day, so I might as well just have a local dealer. That limits my options.

Before my Escape I've mostly only owned German cars: VWs and a BMW.
But I dislike the 22 mile drive through a dangerous traffic circle (roundabouts to some folks), to get to those dealerships.

I like the performance of the 2 liter engine in my Escape, which is comparable to the 2.8 liter VR6 engine in my '95 VW GTI. 0-60 around 7 seconds. Why do I want that level of performance? Short on-ramps on some of the highways I use on a regular basis. My old '04 BMW X3 did not have that level of performance. By comparison, it's non-turbo 3 liter straight 6 was something of a gas hog, and required Premium fuel, as well.
My '17 Escape has been the equivalent of my old X3 with the exception of performance and fuel costs.

The new Ford Escape and the Bronco Sport Badlands are the only cars that meet my criteria, unless I get another BMW X1 or X3 and suffer that traffic circle. VW it seems, has reliability problems with their similarly sized small SUV, the Taos, at least according to the reviews I've read.

On July 31st, I placed my order at my local Ford dealer for a Shadow Black BS Badlands.

I usually buy pretty basic cars. More doodads just add distractions. I require only 3 options/features: AWD, cloth seats, and heated seats.

For a long time I was undecided on a color. Most of previous cars were black.
My BMW X3 was blue, but I find the Atlas Blue a little too bright for my tastes. The white is pretty, but it is a bad choice for visibility in fog or winter driving. I drove behind one a few weeks ago and i brought tears to my eyes. It reminded me of my recently passed on oldest brother who had a International Scout. As I've stated in another thread, I do like the '84 VW GTI appearance. Black with a subtle red body stripe and subtle red badging. Think of a Batmobile from the 60s TV show.

With impending worker's strikes by UPS and UAW, which could delay the car as well as the personalized items that I add to it, I've ordered all the stuff that I want to add to it, even though I won't get the BS BL for a few months at best. The latest word on the UPS strike is that the membership starts voting on it starting tomorrow with the voting to end August 22nd.
Deliveries of the stuff I bought start arriving today.

To add to the difficulty of my waiting pain, my neighbor's parents bought a '23 OB a couple months ago, and when they visit, I get to see their Cactus Gray or Area 51 OB in the driveway across the street.
Pull the curtains! :sunglasses:

When I get actually take possession of my '24 BS BL, I'll replace my ghostly BS avatar with a photo of the real deal. My avatar is a photo I shot of an Atlas Blue BS BB at my local dealership, converted to B/W, and inverted the contrast, as well as some other editing.
RushMan

I definitely recommend you test drive an Outer Banks (1.5). I think you would be surprised with the performance. You also get a lower price, more creature comforts, and better gas mileage.
 
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RushMan

I definitely recommend you test drive an Outer Banks (1.5). I think you would be surprised with the performance. You also get a lower price, more creature comforts, and better gas mileage.
There's no point in that, since I decided what I wanted: a Bronco Sport with the 2.0 liter engine, and not the 3 cylinder, and I ordered it before I posted the above.
As for ride quality of the BL over the BB and OB, that is discussed here:
https://www.broncosportforum.com/forum/threads/is-badlands-suspension-softer.8576/
 

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The Badlands is the way to go, the 2.0 has the performance you're looking for and you won't be thinking you need more power.
Yes it will get less fuel mileage than the 1.5 models but not that much less.
The added performance and additional underpinnings are well worth it.
The ride is a bit truckish with the suspension being tuned for off road use.
It doesn't handel like a German hot hatch or sport sedan but is still fun to drive. I think a street version that could strafe canyons would be sweet.

Even though you have a Badlands on order, if possible you should find a way to test drive one to know if it's really what you want. I drove all the models before I got mine, the Badlands does stand out.
 
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The Badlands is the way to go, the 2.0 has the performance you're looking for and you won't be thinking you need more power.
Yes it will get less fuel mileage than the 1.5 models but not that much less.
The added performance and additional underpinnings are well worth it.
The ride is a bit truckish with the suspension being tuned for off road use.
It doesn't handel like a German hot hatch or sport sedan but is still fun to drive. I think a street version that could strafe canyons would be sweet.

Even though you have a Badlands on order, if possible you should find a way to test drive one to know if it's really what you want. I drove all the models before I got mine, the Badlands does stand out.
When I checked out the Badlands at my local dealer, they offered me a test drive of the only Badlands they had in stock, but I declined, not finding it necessary. I only wanted to sit in it, to check out the ride height, seat comfort and cockpit ergonomics.

When I did returned after the order books opened, to do the pre-order, they had no Badlands in stock, but offered me a test drive of the Heritage Limited, and again I declined, as I had already decided what I wanted. It's not the first time I ordered a car without a test drive.
 
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Welcome to the group, Rushman!
Thanks.. So far, this car is costing me...I've bought all the stuff that I want to add to it, Redline lifts, window defectors, hood deflector, and fru-fru (cosmetic and interior additions). No idea of build date yet. No idea when production switches over to the '24s.
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