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Not demons, but experiential. I researched, saw, touched and drove JL's. Because I've seen first hand Ford kick Jeep's ass in the past by fixing what was wrong with Jeeps; I assumed they were going to do it again by fixing (in my mind) what was wrong with JL's. It sounds like Ford is going...

Leak? What was leaked? A bucking horse video tells me nothing new but rather gives me the feeling Ford is trading in shiny beads and trinkets rather than real mechanical prowess.

Seriously? That's your answer? Is there anyone here familiar with the concept of "circular reasoning"?

WHY?

BINGO! Substitute the word "unibody" with the word "electronics"... ......and the point I was trying to get across to the Richard Craniums on this fan boy Ford can do no wrong Forum becomes crystal clear.

Because of past experience you couldn't give me a unibody off roader. Much less pay $48,000 for one. Much much less one not proven. I'm not closed minded; if Defender could prove it won't bend (which is what they should do for marketing) then and only then would I consider even considering.

Heard of an XJ? I used to own a ice blue 1998 XJ 4 door manual. Pretty much the holy grail of XJ's Great little rig for fire roads, but not to wheel unless you add a frame stiffener kit. A full cage roll bar stiffens them up a bit. Otherwise they bend. Windshield can pop out, doors and hatch...

Unibody base price $49,000. I suppose they've done their market research and determined there are a lot of people who just want the look of a tough off roader. Let's hope Ford doesn't buy into the same marketing strategy.