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Emme Hall over on Roadshow just posted a video review comparing the Bronco Sport and Toyota RAV4 TRD:

 
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Nothing good can be flat towed any longer, looks like most manufacturers are sending the thousands of RV'ers to Jeep, and now Ford Bronco.
 

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BIG PROBLEM.... they are comparing the Sport it to the older 2020 Rav-4 Offroad, not the 2021 Prime which is currently available and has good acceleration with 300 hp and a host of new options. There is no 2021 Prime Offroad. For street driving, and the possibility of $8.00 gas next year, the Rav-4 Prime would be an option with it's electric power, but for offroad, the Bronco wins hands down.
 
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BIG PROBLEM.... they are comparing the Sport it to the older 2020 Rav-4 Offroad, not the 2021 Prime which is currently available and has rocket-ship acceleration with 300 hp and a host of new options. There is no 2021 Prime Offroad. For street driving, and the possibility of $8.00 gas next year, the Rav-4 Prime would be an option with it's electric power, but for offroad, the Bronco wins hands down.

Is gas really that expensive in AZ? I was angry at myself that I didn't fill up at $2.10 before Labor Day when it shot up to $2.19.
 

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Its $3.58 a gallon here. 8 bucks??? Time to pump up my bike tires. :sunglasses:
 
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It's not $8.00 here yet, but depending on the political environment, US oil production could come to a screaming halt. I mean this as a fact with the addition of the Green Deal, not a political statement either way.
 
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It's not $8.00 here yet, but depending on the political environment, US oil production could come to a screaming halt. I mean this as a fact with the addition of the Green Deal, not a political statement either way.
I’m an oil analyst— I’ll take the under on 8.00 gas. oil is in a low forties strip price for 2021 Currently and there is significant Excess refining Capacity in the US, plus OPEC has immense spare Crude capacity. Even if Biden wins and halts drilling on federal lands (not a certainty based on his current proposals) that Would not lead to a rise in oil commensurate with an 8.00 gasoline price. Even in 2008 when we saw 145.00 oil, gasoline did not hit 8.00. We could see a rally in crude next year regardless of who wins, but it will probably not be to a level that supports 8.00 gasoline. If you wanted to stress test your EV assumptions feel free To budget higher than today, but 8.00 is a tad aggressive.

Btw, US prodn is slowing down regardless of who wins, it’s a function of lower prices, Covid, and Wall Street being unwilling to lend cheap money to the producers today.
 
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I’m an oil analyst— I’ll take the under on 8.00 gas. oil is in a low forties strip price for 2021 Currently and there is significant Excess refining Capacity in the US, plus OPEC has immense spare Crude capacity. Even if Biden wins and halts drilling on federal lands (not a certainty based on his current proposals) that Would not lead to a rise in oil commensurate with an 8.00 gasoline price. Even in 2008 when we saw 145.00 oil, gasoline did not hit 8.00. We could see a rally in crude next year regardless of who wins, but it will probably not be to a level that supports 8.00 gasoline. If you wanted to stress test your EV assumptions feel free To budget higher than today, but 8.00 is a tad aggressive.

Btw, US prodn is slowing down regardless of who wins, it’s a function of lower prices, Covid, and Wall Street being unwilling to lend cheap money to the producers today.

The problem is proposed Green Deal "carbon taxes" on gasoline, not just the cost of oil. The purpose (like it or not) is to encourage people to buy electric and limit carbon emissions.
 

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I’m getting carbonized gray specifically to increase my carbon foot print. This go green dooms day prophecy to pay taxes to save the world is something all industries are forced to obey like the new normal. Very sad.

I’m all for anything electric for the sake of more financial freedom. But I’m not quite ready to make the electric vehicle switch.
 

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The problem is proposed Green Deal "carbon taxes" on gasoline, not just the cost of oil. The purpose (like it or not) is to encourage people to buy electric and limit carbon emissions.
That’s a good point on carbon taxes, I was not thinking of those. Just read a Forbes article from 9/19 which suggested 40/ton carbon tax would mean 40cents more per gallon at the pump. Not sure how they decided 40.00 is the right number, I’m not sure what AOC has proposed and I thought the spot price of carbon in Europe was lower. I still think 8.00 seems high. Gasoline price in USD in France right now is 5.50 per gallon and they’ve had a carbon tax regime there and higher taxes in general for several years. (Don’t get me wrong, not exactly wishcasting for 5.50gallon.) It would be interesting to see if a Dem sweep Govt found alternative ways to pay for it vs consumers at the pump. Dems and Reps both have held off on helping the highway infra fund because they would have had to raise gasoline taxes to do it.
 
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