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Would love to see a thread of poignant observations made about the vehicle, its body, its suspensions, its parts or drivetrain from this experience. This type of work does breed an excellence in understanding.

1) software update. specifically for the PCM 2) See Moss-Magnuson act. But to be concise...ALMOST IN ALL CASES.

I can just about reach out to the other side of the roof when standing on this. Moki Ascent Folding Vehicle Door Step | Duluth Trading Company

Manufacturers in China will design and produce the most ridiculous sh!t because its pennies on the dollar to do so, PLUS they know some idiot with money to burn in the United States will buy it.

As a long time Toyota and Honda buyer, before I then got my Mustang almost 10 years ago, and subsequently the BS ... I will most definitely be looking at this as my next pivot.

Looks awesome! Might DM you if I'm ever in that area again. However, I did so some OHV'ing in the Lower Suwanee Wildlife Refuge which is not too far from there. But those trails were a lot easier than some of these pics you got here! Great job!!

@Dude I appreciate all the info. I didn't know it was this well discussed before I opened my thread. However, I did spend time going through all these posts, and as far as I can tell, there is no rock solid conclusion to be had. But I do want to stress that the engine being "de-rated" is a...

I'd agree with your premise; then tell you "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on ME" 🤷‍♂️ Don't know what else to tell you. I brought you all the information on my pain. If you want to just let it go in one ear and out the other, feel free. That is your right. I'm just...

And FWIW, I don't think the 1.5's have to be concerned with this particular issue. My entire theory is much of this is due to the peak torque of the 2.0 vs what the 8F35 is designed for. I just feel those numbers are too close for comfort.

Sorry. I think I missed this post. This is probably spot on to what happend. The only difference is since it was under warranty, they replaced the ENTIRE transmission. Was there any thought of what was the culprit to your situation?

The "even thought it better on gas" was a description of just constantly being in cruise control over the past year or so; BEFORE anything was noticed with this issue. I started noticing the stark decrease in mileage somewhere on the drive back home from the trip. I initially chalked it up to...

I agree with all of this. Just wanted to put it out there. I am very dubious to the timing of a "fully loaded two week trip", in the hot Florida summer, where I was offroading in National Forests and at the same time also getting up to 90 miles an hour on the highway, and then a transmission...

I also want to reiterate to those who are only keying in on the title of the thread without taking the time to read through, is that the failure was not within the transmission clutch. The failure was EITHER a locked clutch disc within the torque converter or a failure within the valve body...

Correct. And when you add a fully loaded rooftop, I think the extreme drag forces exacerbate the same clutch wear you describe. It was always on a heavy downshift. Upshifts are not so tough on clutches.

I've definitely been a fan of the engine. Was on the precipice of tuning with Cobb. But I am now wary of the 8F35. If this is simply a commuter vehicle, and your tach basically never goes above 5K, I think there is no need for worries. Like you and I both mention, not much history with this...

That's too funny. My wife is in love with the Pilot also. She test drove one a couple months back and was smitten. I'm right behind on ya on this after my recent transmissions issues.

FINALLY got the Ape back yesterday. What an awful and slow process this has been. I'm fairly thankful that my local Ford dealer took the warranty work even though I didn't purchase the vehicle there. However, I'm almost certain that's also why things were fairly slow for me. Info was extremely...

Thanks for confirming.

Update: I have firm confirmation from the dealership that the transmission finally arrived yesterday (over a month on order!). Now lets see how long they take to get me a 100% properly functioning drivetrain.

Alright, here we go. I don't have much in terms of a resolution yet, but you're about to get my rant. The @Ford Motor Company was diligent in immediately getting some initial information from me, and now I"m dealing with the 'Customer Concern' people via email, and it really doesn't seem to me...